How would you MO after 90 days?

So you are asking in a forum for addicts, when is it okay to use again? You already know the answer to that, and it is never. You’ve admitted that you use MO to escape your problems, for avoidance, rather than dealing with them head on. Why would you need to use MO again if you’ve solved all your problems and dealt with them, and don’t need an escape? It sounds like you are still in the throws of addiction. Maybe it sounds good to you right now, because you know it feels good. That is the addict talking. Is it really going to make you a better person? Do you really need masturbation in your life? Are you sure you can’t function without it?

If you answer yes, you might need another 90 days. It isn’t just a made up number, but one that has been tried and proven by many fapstronauts before us to see the benefits, a reversal of the symptoms caused by the addiction, the point where real healing can begin. The point where you can start to be a normal human being, and live life consciously and deliberately with intelligent choices and actions.

90 days doesn’t make you cured, it’s the time it takes to launch yourself out from the self soothing pit of PMO abuse. It is the point where you realize you are no longer tethered by your addiction, it has less of a hold on you. You can then shoot for the stars and become the best person you can be, free from the throes of addiction. Why on earth would you want to back to that? Without continual recovery and self improvement, the time spent in reboot to launch yourself into orbit will slowly decay, and you will just go right back into the pointless routines and crash hard back into addiction. I don’t understand why you would want to do that to yourself. You can do and deserve better. If not for yourself, then do it for the person you see in the mirror.

 

Pmo and mo have nothing to do each others. P is the problem and mo is the thing that have healthy benefits. After my 90 day i will propably fap once in week. Maybe every sunday or such. Just dont ever use porn.

 

I don't have any plans.
I really want to find myself a nice girl and to give up on masturbation once and for all
but who knows,
I might relapse by tomorrow or next week/month

 

After quitting, M just sounds wrong to me. Also I’ve seen some great effects of semen retention. I just have more energy throughout the day and more motivation. If I start M again I might lose those benefits.

 

@bravastan this is certainly your journey and your life. You set the rules you want to live by. I might take a hardline approach, and those are the rules I choose to live by. I wasn’t making any assumptions, just voicing my opinion from your post and the details provided, and my experience with PA and the impacts it has had on who I am, the choices I made, and the things I’ve done or told myself. I know an addict will find any reason they can to justify their behavior and to continue in their addiction. This is what worried me with your post, so I wanted to ensure you were taking the right steps and thinking of the right things to improve yourself.
I believe in practicing a continual self improvement cycle. Part of that continual improvement cycle is to make changes, and try new things that work, stop those things that don’t, and continue those things that are working. Making mistakes are what make us human. In my opinion, learning from those mistakes is what continual improvement is all about. They are learning opportunities, not mistakes. The only real mistakes we make are the ones we don’t learn from.

Masturbation is a part and a start of why I got in this mess to begin with, so I know I will not be going back to it. To me it was a mistake, and I have learned from it. I would tread very carefully if you do decide to engage in using M, even recreationally, and for whatever “right reasons” you believe there may be. Any sign of the wrong reasons, like those you stated in your OP, you should probably refrain. I just don’t see it as an option for me, or anyone as an actual need.

As for your justification of “normal”, I think you are making a logical fallacy. Sure some animals may M, one could also say that animals also rape and could use your same logic to consider that normal. Does that make it acceptable? Does it make it okay? Sure it is different than M, which you are doing to yourself, but I would even go so far to equate M as a form of self rape.

I’m sorry if this all sounds a bit extreme, and not the answer you are looking for. I would strongly caution against going back to old habits. Breaking those bad habits and changing your routine through NoFap takes strength, you will certainly become stronger without them. I can’t see how going back to them will make you stronger, I don’t think it works both ways. Hopefully you learn from it, and continue to become the best person you can be.

 

I think the answer lies entirely within you. For me, after being PMO free for 100+ days, I attempted MO only... not even to fantasy, just the sensation. The results (for me) were quite terrible. In about 2 weeks I was back to where I started or even worse. My brain could not distinguish a difference... MO just the sensation led to fantasy, fantasy led to P, and the rest is history. For me, never is the answer. I am an addict. You may not be. Good luck

 

If a real -life-memories only wank will stop you from PMOing, it might be ok. or a no-fantasy wank for testing your reset, on the way your readiness for rewiring as per YBOP.

 

Honestly, for most individuals MO and P are interconnected and I feel that the temptation of masturbation would indirectly lead to the usage of porn. However, there are individuals that could probably get away with it just not many.

 

M is meaningless after you are healed. Its like asking a smoker how will he smoke after he is healed from his addiction. Makes absolutelly no sense.

You can ask what we will do with our woman, those we gained during the process, or those we realized are by our side already. Such a question would be seriously beta tho. And the answer... really disturbing!!!