Anti-NoFap Article

wake_up · Dec 10, 2018

Ridley said: ↑

Careful... I don't think that's the takeaway here. I hardly think it's fair to say that "the left is officially against nofap". It's just one article, and I don't think that's enough to demonstrate some sort of pattern or generalization about an entire facet of the political spectrum. NoFap has been criticized by many different people, and not all of them are left-leaning (or even politically motivated at all). Most of the articles I've seen that criticize NoFap (and similar communities) have nothing to do with politics at all: they're usually either written by people with ties to the porn industry (and, thus, who have a vested interest in criticizing porn addiction support groups like NoFap) or by people who want to boost their own academic / journalistic careers by writing a flashy article about masturbation and porn. The article from the original post is the first one I can remember seeing that was politically motivated, and it's certainly the first one I've ever seen that took a feminist perspective on NoFap. Hell, there are lots of members of this community who are left-leaning. Be careful with your generalizations.

You talk about being forced to "take sides" in your comment. Well, aren't you encouraging that type of behavior when you make sweeping generalizations about "the left"?

I don't think the idea here is that it's now "okay to quote and post more red pill content". That's not what NoFap is about, and it never has been. As far as I can tell, NoFap doesn't really take a stance on gender-related issues. This community is about supporting people who are struggling with masturbation and porn regardless of what views you hold politically, socially, or philosophically. I'm not saying that discussing gender-related issues shouldn't be allowed in this community. I actually think it's quite important to debate issues surrounding the topic. So, if you're talking about posting "Red Pill" content here for the sake of discussing it and debating it, then I think that's productive and is just fine. However, I want us all to remember that, regardless of the political / social / philosophical views of some users on this forum, this place primarily exists to help people who are struggling with PMO. Just because one author from one article thinks this is a place where Incels, Red Pilled, MGTOW, and other related communities gather to let their misogynistic views fester like mold on bread doesn't mean that we have to adopt that identity, and it doesn't mean that everyone who is "on the left" believes what she does.
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Hey, you're probably mostly right there.
That conclusion was a bit too fast, but this article did enrage me (and therefore probably did it's intended purpose).
As I wrote I liked that nofap avoided political and religious biases, and I enjoy it that way. So probably I shoud adhere to that as well.

On the other hand, I delved deeply into the manosphere / TRP and explored many of the different directions.
As for your last paragraph, yes I think we need to discuss it here sooner or later, as I think this is a societal problem to a degree (which causes our addictions or at least facilitares them) and thus needs to be discussed here.

There are some values the left represented which I found important and sensible (Stefan Molyneux made a video about that) but I find today's left just madness.
I became very critical of "the left" or at least some parts of it.
Just make this search and you see why. (In spoiler - as it may trigger someone - but I see this as a criticism of society and we have to be able to talk about this bs

... and you land here https://www.google.com/search?q=study+porn+benefits
and find pure bs like
* 11 unexpected benefits of watching porn (https://www.dailydot.com/irl/benefits-of-porn/)
starting with "Honestly, guys, you could learn a thing or two."
"1) Because it’s healthy"
"2) Because sometimes it’s better than the real thing"
...
"5) Because it could benefit your relationship"
...

* 6 reasons why your porn habit might actually be good for you
https://metro.co.uk/2015/11/24/6-reasons-why-your-porn-habit-might-actually-be-good-for-you-5522338/

* 9 surprising reasons why you should be watching porn
https://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/9-surprising-reasons-why-you-should-be-watching-porn_partner/

* The Positive Side of Pornography | RealClearSciencehttps://www.realclearscience.com/.../the-upside-of-pornography.h

etc ...

I found most of that quite disturbing and that's where I disagree with your first paragraph, as *all* of the authors and the publications/ news sites are left leaning in their general attitude - you won't see such idiocy on "right wing" / red pill sites.

Deleted Account · Dec 12, 2018

Hold up, I just realized something mind-blowing. The site porn*** gets about 100 million visitors per day on average. The porn industry makes more money on any given day than the NFL makes on Super Bowl Sunday. Holy Crap. Imagine how much money the other porn sites are getting. Jesus. A 100 billion dollar industry that sexually exploits people for money. Jesus.

Deleted Account · Dec 12, 2018

SaveMeBeforeIFall said: ↑

The site porn*** gets about 100 million visitors per day on average. That means there are over 100 million porn addicts in America.
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Are we sure all of those visits are from America?

Deleted Account · Dec 12, 2018

SaveMeBeforeIFall said: ↑

Hold up, I just realized something mind-blowing. The site porn*** gets about 100 million visitors per day on average. That means there are over 100 million porn addicts in America. Think about that. Do the math. In America, there are 2 million people who are addicted to heroin/cocaine. America wastes billions on the drug trade alone. The porn industry makes more money on any given day than the NFL makes on Super Bowl Sunday. Holy Crap. Imagine how much money the other porn sites are getting. Jesus. A 100 billion dollar industry that sexually exploits people for money. Jesus.
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They are using porn, which does not mean that they are addicted. The tobacco, alcohol and the gambling industry also make a lot of money. Not everybody who uses a drug is addicted.

Whether a drug is legal or not ironically has little to do with how dangerous it is. It is more of a question of culture &traditions and in many cases, corruption. Making a drug illegal does not help to combat addiction anyway.

Deleted Account · Dec 12, 2018

BartlebytheScrivener said: ↑

They are using porn, which does not mean that they are addicted. The tobacco, alcohol and the gambling industry also make a lot of money. Not everybody who uses a drug is addicted.

Whether a drug is legal or not ironically has little to do with how dangerous it is. It is more of a question of culture &traditions and in many cases, corruption. Making a drug illegal does not help to combat addiction anyway.
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True, true. Not everyone who watches will be addicted.

Deleted Account · Dec 14, 2018

SaveMeBeforeIFall said: ↑

Relationships aren't perfect, people cheat, dating takes time. This porn issue is mostly society's problem. It provides an avenue for those who are lonely and depressed. But porn is a drug. The more you abuse porn, the more lonely and depressed your going to feel. It's a downward spiral. It's not the solution. In order to face your problems, you have to address the root cause.
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I feel you on a deep spiritual level. I still think the Fight for Love is still worth it. Love is real. Just check out Marla Robinson's book "Cupid's Poisoned Arrow". It says couples who do kareeza, stay together for life. Don't let negativity get to you man, porn is just a byproduct, not a standard. Peace to you. In the meanwhile, I'm going to fart with my chief.

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