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Nofap is ruining sex

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by jerryck, May 23, 2019.

  1. jerryck

    jerryck New Fapstronaut

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    Hello,

    I don't know if somebody could help me with an advice, but at least I could share my struggles..

    I have a problem with nofap, actually reducing the sex quality.
    The problem is that if there are more than three days, of me not PMO, I struggle to last long enough with my wife.
    If I O every other day, however I am able to perform 15-20 minutes, which is enough for her.
    The problem is we are making sex 1-2 times a week, which means, there would be at least 4-7 days, between sessions.
    That means I would not be able to last long enough, without PMO the day before.

    I know this should not be such a big problem.. at least for most couples, but I am "fortunate", to have a wife which orgasms exclusively from vaginal stimulation.

    According to her, the clitoral stimulation feels bad (from tickling to pain), so even when she masturbates she does not stimulate her clit, at least not directly.
    What makes her excited however, is the friction feeling in the vaginal opening, combined with a non-frictional pressure on her clit, which is why she likes so much missionary.

    We tried manual stimulation, but she says, fingers does not feel nearly as good, and the pressure on clit is not enough...
    No sex toys either...


    So to recap

    Each session I should be able to sustain moderate tempo for 10-20 minutes in order to give her orgasm, and no backup plan.
    Manual/Oral stimulation is a no go.
    We have 20-30 min at most, so no second round + I need at least half an hour for erection and at least half a day for genuine desire on my side.
    If I stop in order to stop my orgasm, or change position, I stop my wife's orgasm as well, and we start all over.

    Last time I decided to try sex after a 8 day streak (without jerking off the previous day), and I lasted only few seconds.
    I could have stopped, and continue very slow, but the tempo was too slow for her, so we decided to just let myself finish, and end the session.

    When I told her that I've not masturbated since the last time we had sex, she was very surprised, and encouraged me to masturbate more often.

    So I don't know what to do.
    I like sex, and would like to have it more often, but I don't want tо rely on PMO in order to be able to perform + my wife actually encourages me to PMO.

    Since I started nofap, I started to rely on drugs to last long enough, which I think is actually worse than PMO.
     
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  2. Never happened to me before... but I does have something to do with the realease. Simply put... your body and mind craves that realease you get from MO. So during S, which is the other alternative to get O, your mind and body will naturally aim for quick O.

    I could be wrong, but from reading what you post, that's my assumption.

    Advice? Fine something that really works for you. Yeah everyone hate taking pills, but that should be temporary, as you would master your mind eventually.
     
  3. Totally new here so its an idea that I can not back up with proof

    Maybe try an entire 90 day reboot with your wifes consent and then both of you can start fresh and deternine what works best. I know just the 30 days that we went hardmode and working on connection, we have had the best times since befire we were married, and we actually had to take a break for rest and sleep.

    In the past she always had issues with pain and dryness and getting there with penetration.

    Now its about as different as it can be in all the best ways.

    Its a process continue to try ti find what works for both of you and communication is probably more important than the intimate act itself.
     
  4. Male38

    Male38 Fapstronaut

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    why no second round, then you can last a lot longer
     
  5. And not to say that I dont have issues, i struggles in the past with sensitivity issues and erection quality and stamina.
    My stamina had not increases one bit, but the entire session is 1000 percent imprived because we are there in body and mind now and she is able to enjoy and feel an orgasm that combines both penetrative and outer stimulation and I an having no trouble remaining erect throughout to orgasms that litterally take my breathe away.

    I would reccomend highly talking through trying a reboot of yoursleves together to experience if it will benefit you.

    Again only my opinion and there is one for every member here
     
  6. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    Brave post, thank you. Have you thought about going for a soft reboot instead, i.e. no porn, but carry on masturbating?

    Why?
     
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  7. Inkazak

    Inkazak Fapstronaut

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    This is normal. I used to take 15-25 minutes to orgasm and I hated it. I actually started nofap so that I could finish faster (usually 5 ish minutes). Try some new things dude (buy a dildo/vibrator ) try penetrating with one or two fingers. Alternatively you could go for round two as soon as possible. Maybe you could ask her for a quickie (handjob/blowjob) every day or every other day. That way you aren’t masturbating but you are having an orgasm so when it’s time for penetration you’ll be better prepared to last longer.
     
  8. After some days of not jerking you will start to get your sensitivity back, this combined with your urges increasing can make you finish quickly. This does start to level out back to what it should be in time.
     
  9. JesusStrength

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    I'm working my way upto round 2.. The next conversation with my wife is this: your body is going to become my hand. That's it.
     
  10. jerryck

    jerryck New Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for the suggestions guys.
    There are a lot of things worth considering.

    Do you think it's possible to be able to have, even after 10 or more days without sexual stimulation?
    Even the idea sounds impossible to me. My longest streak was 30 days, and I almost constantly felt, like I am about to explode.
    Maybe just, abstaining from PMO is not enough, without a certain mental shift, but its something worth considering.

    Unfortunately since giving birth, couple of years ago, her sex drive is very low, and I am afraid, if we stop, having sex, it will perish completely.


    We don't have a lot of time. Since the birth of our child, sex is something in between 20-30 min tops.
    I need at least half an hour to get second erection, but even then, I just don't have the desire for a second round.
    Maybe porn is responsible, for me not wanting to do it more then once a day. Second thing worth considering. Thanks ;)

    We tried, but she does't like the vibrations (maybe it has to do with her overly sensitive clit).
    Also she mostly like the combination of vaginal stimulation with pressure on her pelvis (maybe that's why she likes mostly standard S in missionary).
    I guess strap on, would be the only toy she would like.

    P.S.
    Thanks for the input. Now after reading my responses to you suggestions, I realized that, there are some deeper issues, than me not lasting long enough.
    I don't know if I could manage then on my own, however. Unfortunately my wife is very sensitive on that topic, and every try to talk to her, makes her defensive, and the discussion ends.
     
  11. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    The defensive walls that go up when we feel attacked are the enemy of intimacy. So often here it is the porn addicts who are defensive: it's only as I have moved deeper and deeper into my recovery that I have felt able to really listen and own the consequences of my actions without getting defensive. I have no idea how your wife can move to such a place, but your sobriety will help. Do you open up and make yourself vulnerable?
     
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  12. JesusStrength

    JesusStrength Fapstronaut

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    Leave porn in the past bro.. Trust me.. I'm a technologist. Humanity is not prepared for virtual reality and this is just the beggining of technological diseases... Teach your kids about it also.
     
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  13. Numb

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    To which I'd reply "No, I will not". That's it.
     
  14. Infrasapiens

    Infrasapiens Fapstronaut

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    Get ready to sleep in the couch.
     
  15. Great post. Actually I have this (noob symptoms) happen since my actual sex life is sporadic at this point.

    I would say when I abstain from sex for a while (due to necessity in my case) I go back to being a “virgin.” I will tell you what has worked for me.

    I do some mental exercises when I’m having sex to prevent finishing so fast... I change positions when I get close to O. Or I do other kinds of sexual attention , playing, oral, massage, when I feel close. she does not know I’m close to completion —-I just change up my “pattern”.

    Also, I have found if I do this distraction method, I can go 2 or three rounds. If you feel you are good to finish you can stop and squeeze; and put your mind to something else non. Sexual. I always think of elephants, lions, giraffes for some reason. Lol.

    The idea is to trick your mind to make a list while having sex to slow down the engine. ... I do colors, animals fruits , etc. I race through them in my mind.

    The result is I technically have a mini orgasm because I didn’t really let my body experience it.

    Then I hold for a few seconds and restart. On the next go I let the main army join the battle and it’s kinda like edging I guess but healthy sex.

    Back when I did pmo, I noticed If I had masturbated before sex when I went in the second time I was less susceptible to finish.

    I wonder too if any of this deoends in cut/uncut condom vs raw??

    I know every woman is different but talking during sex can have the same effect. You can really connect or it distracts the hell out of you.
     
  16. Talking tax code while having sex would be distracting....unless you are an accountant.
     
  17. Lool. Tax code isn’t sexy to anyone. Especially accountants!
     
  18. Faceplanter

    Faceplanter Fapstronaut

    Put me down for the try and have your wife's hands on you regularly rather than your own. Vary the timing as needed for you to last how you need to with sex.

    If that doesn't work out, just go back to M since that seems to be the best root for both of you..... her hands would be better but I think her enjoyment of intercourse is the main goal to keep intact.
     
  19. fadedfidelity

    fadedfidelity Fapstronaut

    What about a numbing spray to last longer during sex when not MO'ing? I think they are called "delay sprays". One brand that gets great reviews is called Promescent. Just make sure to read the directions when it says to apply a certain amount of time before sex so she doesn't get numb too. haha
     
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  20. jerryck

    jerryck New Fapstronaut

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    Unfortunately changing positions, proved to be too distracting for my wife, and sometimes ruins her buildup, so we have to either restart, or call it quits.
    I too use distraction thought. I mostly think about repairing my bike or solve mathematical problems, but that kills the pleasure from S.
    I would prefer never O in my life again but experiencing fully sex, rather then, distracting myself, while doing the moves mechanically, with couple seconds of pleasure in the end.

    That's what I am experimenting right now with. If the timing and quantity are just wight, am am able to keep just enough sensitivity, so to be able to perform, without going over the edge too easily.

    I remember when I was a teen, and just started PMO, It would take me half an hour of vigorous M to be able to O.
    I wish I could be like that again, but there are a lot of habits I need to unlearn.
    Fortunately I was never heavy PMO abuser. I would PM almost everyday, but O only a couple of times per week.
    So I am not that hooked to O.
    But I am very used to get fast to the edge, and then just edge for couple of days. Which is easy when you do PMO, but is bad for S with real person.
    Also I, never liked production P, and was always more into homemade amateur P, so didn't grow up with very skewed expectations about women and S.
    But nevertheless, every couple is different, and what's good for the couples on the screen does not necessarily is good for us.
    That's why I put my faith in nofap, to help me unlearn, these bad PMO habits.


    I have the following plan:
    1) No P at all cost - Although I didn't think it was that harmful for me, I just realized that, the whole sex obsession with my wife, is partly due, to envying other people for their sex practices, while at the same time no paying attention to the things, we do right. Also P is artificially increasing my sex drive, creating huge gap between my wife's drive and mine.I also realized that sometimes, I think I want to do S, but its actually not real desire, rather than compulsion to be like the couples on the screen.

    (Things i envy other people are: Oral (both receiving and giving), Changing positions, Rough S..., Woman initiating sex - she is rarely in the mood to initiate, Foreplay - foreplay is too boring for her)
    (Things I forget to give credit about: My wife doesn't need oral, because she can O very easy from PIV. No needing foreplay, makes quickies I lot more enjoyable for both of us. S is not rough, but the tempo and moves she likes are very passionate)

    2) MO no more than 2 times a week, and gradually reduce it to 1 per week, or 1 every two weeks. I really like the energy, and tension I get from not O often, but the PE I am experiencing, is very demotivating. I hope that gradually reducing O, would let my body adapt to the more excited state, and in the end, be able to perform without relying on MO.

    3) Learn how to route, all that energy, to strengthening the bond with my wife, and also to my hobbies and experiencing life in general.

    Thanks for all the input guys. The different perspectives, gave me the opportunity to see my problems from different angles.
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2019
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