The Truth About Porn

Hey guys, I'm new here hope you're all well!

Just a point on the topic, I dont think the invention of porn is there to make money only. I believe whoever owns the industry designed it to destroy men the physiological and psychological effects are so detrimental to one's health, beyond our grasp. Something so addictive is so accessible and that's never a good sign.

Same for alcohol, it's a poison look what it does to you. You drink, mind becomes almost controlled by it, then you spend the next day recovering rotting in bed from the poison

 

Imagine someone who killed 15 people, shot them in cold blood. This is a horrible individual without morals or respect for others, he took lives of people who had families, children and now they all suffer. What a selfish horrible person.
Yes, yes everyone will agree - he is a horrible person and deserves to pay for his crimes but one thing I did not mention is that this person was in the army and participated in a war and he killed because his life depended on it, he had no desire to kill but if he did not he would be dead or his friends would be dead.

Bias presents one side of the story, suppressing the other and without the other side of the story, we can not make effective conclusions, yes one can do good research about how this person killed and present a murderer and another will research his heroic valor and portray a national decorated hero. But the truth is in the middle, place here we look at both sides of his story and accept that he was both a hero and a murderer, someone who loved and someone who killed.
People come here to make effective decisions, they seek to understand, and they are always shown one side of the coin, told same story, and without the full story - they will never understand and will continue to stumble.

One of the biggest mistakes I see here is not accepting the complexity of issues people try to deal with here, trying to only see and show the murderer and ignore the "solder, father, husband in the story". Bias is inability to see whole picture, and not seeing the whole picture can not result in effective behavior.

Finally if you are surrounded by people that agree with you, you no longer learn or grow.
Best of luck

 

Absolute truth!

 

You seem to have posited psychology as the only discipline for knowing about human nature. It isn’t. As I said this is an ethical or moral question. We don’t need psychology to know porn is bad. In fact psychology can’t tell us this at all.

 

You seem to have forgotten when the discussion was about

 

You are absolutely right, thanks for sharing

 

I am from Bangladesh, so I can illuminate some points about the influence of porn in Bangladeshi society. For the sake of clarity I am, by no means, a fan of Nationalism. Also I am not religious, I am at gray zone of moderate Muslim to agnostic.

Bangladesh is not heavily controlled by religion. when I say "Controlled" I meant that Bangladesh is not hevily governed or ruled by religion. Yes, majority of people here are religious, and would prefer religious rules, and say 5-10% laws of govt laws are from religious books/religion inspired. Rest of rules are not religion-based.

I can give some instances of laws which are just opposite from heavily Islam-controlled countries: no women are forced to wear burkha or head scarf in Bangladesh, you can wear whatever you want; yes, as a muslim society people expect you to wear clothes that are not revealing. No public execution. Women can drive. Women can go outside without a male guardian, they can become whatever they want to. Women can vote. Most of our prime ministers are women since our independent from Pakistan in 1971, you can't imagine that in a country that is heavily governed by Islamic rules. There are many ministers or cabinet members who are women.

Bangladesh banned porn (Internet sites) only at the beginning of the 2019, so it will take some years to see/observe the influence of banning-porn here. However as technology progress at unimaginable speed people can easily bypass that banning. So my personal belief is banning-porn wouldn't impact here much. People would watch it anyways.

Also I don't have data to back the claim that porn has made people more perverted in Bangaldesh. But from my very personal experience that most people learn about sex from porn, it might be debatable whether it is good or bad but it is a fact, as Bangladeshi society is very conservative and talking about sex is taboo, also sex-education is distant dream here. So you can theorize that lack of proper sex-education might make people perverted, but the word "pervert" seems a harsh word in this regard.

Yes, possession of pornography is illegal here; but in my lifetime I never read a news where people are arrested for possessing pornography and jailed for more than few weeks. If you are arrested to keep porn you might end up in police station for few hours at the worst case scenario because police know most people watch porn or keep them in their possessions. But it is true that making pornography is illegal here too, and this is treated by police more harshly than possessing porn.

Finally if you are from a cold weather country, don't visit Bangladesh from February to November, heat is very unbearable.

Just my two cents.

 

While it's not possible to get a complete picture of the dangers of high speed internet porn just yet, it's erroneous to say that we don't know anything about how a porn free society could look like.

We know for example, that erectile dysfunction among young men never have been this widespread throughout human history and that it is caused by internet porn.

We know of preference escalation and that people go for porn that is more extreme in nature. Even fairly "normal" viewers might end up in a territory they do not want to be. Children today are being abused by people who's taste couldn't be satisfied in another way any more, let's never forget that. Neurologists, psychiatrist and in my country even the salvation army is doing research on the dangers of porn and brain plasticity, it's nothing new.

We know that there are more rapes in countries where prostitution is legal. There is a saying that goes "much wants more" and when it comes to sexual violence, this is particularly well documented.

If it was like you say, that "most" research was wrong, then there would be zero development going on in the western world whatsoever. We wouldn't have safe roads, safe medications, universities or even enough food if nobody cared to do proper research continuously. Every commercial on every little thing you see on tv has research behind it.

Partial facts can also paint a very vivid picture. What do we know about HIV for example? Well we know that promiscuous people are at higher risk of getting infected than non promiscuous people. And we know that porn increases promiscuity and infidelity. One can therefore draw the conclusion that porn indirectly will increase the number of people getting infected with HIV every year.

Lastly, we know that internet porn has placed a big burden on the environment. So even global warming will get better if porn is banned.

 

Research clearly shows rape and crime in general, are less likely in areas with legalized prostitution. Just go to google and search for some research done on this.

Demand drives production, any attempt to hinder production causes changes in the marketplace, this means companies and individuals develop new strategies to satisfy the demand.
We have no way to predict what these new strategies will be, and what effects they will have.

Just on the surface think logically, pornography is multi-billion industry, this means millions of people depend on it to survive, billions are paid in taxes to the governments.

Porn free society does not exist, humans have motivational systems that force them to seek sexuality and related content.
If you want to remove porn from society, you will have to kill desire for sexuality in humans.

 

Finally what are you trying to convey here? Porn should stay?

 

Huge loss of human capital. These people could do a lot of good in the health care industry, in science, to care for our elderly, in education. All of it taxated work that doesn't involve sexual abuse in the exchange for money (and narcotics).

Prostitution and porn are paid rape; the people you talk about do not do this for free. Enjoy all the porn you want, but don't be one of those deluded guys that think porn is harmless for the people involved. Yes, the porn stars you see will all say "I've always been a sexual person, I love sex, I always get orgasms in my clips".

What else can they say? The truth? "I don't really enjoy to be violated by a fat old balding man in a pony tail, but I need to do this as I have no education, I have a small child at home, I was abused as a child and this have defined me as an adult, I see no other way out, I have started to be dependent on prescription pills, alcohol and narcotics, and those things do not pay for themselves". Don't ever believe that women like to have sex with men they did not choose themselves, it's against every evolutionary fiber of a female being.

This doesn't make any sense. Porn is not a requirement for people to enjoy sex or to procreate. If that was true, you and me wouldn't be born, because our pornless ancestors would not have gotten into bed with each other.

People will always want porn, amphetamine, cigarettes, alcohol; some wants to murder other people and put kittens in the dryer or shoot big animals on the brink of extinction. Man has an insatiable hunger for destruction. But the society as a whole has an obligation to minimize the damage and that's just what porn is; damage. Damage to women, damage to the users, damage to the users family, friends and employer, damage to the planet, to the heart and to the soul.

 

Things you describe are bad, however, this is not a discussion about morality or what is right. This discussion was about actual impact of removing pornography on human society, so lets keep it in there.
Most people here assume this will be amazing and no rational discussion is allowed as to other effects of such activities. like formation of underground market for pornography and how it will realistically play out.
Which in itself shows how poor understanding is of the impact, which is main point I made form the very beginning.

You are missing the point here again, noone is talking about pornography being a requirement for sexuality.

 

There is an illusion that if we just ban X life will be a paradise. And history has shown this to be not the case so too many times.
Ban it approach is just not appropriate or realistic for this situation, this however does not mean other methods cant work.

 

Who said anything about morality? This is solely about protecting people as much as possible.

Of course there will be an underground market for pornography. Murder, cocaine and domestic abuse are all forbidden, yet they still exist. How do you think it will realistically be played out if these activities were to be made legal? Should it be legal to sell alcohol to toddlers just to prevent underground distribution?

Your reasoning basically is that there might be unemployed porn stars starving to death. "What would such a society look like?!" Well a wild guess is that those people would work with something else.

 

My point is still the same, "lets ban all this stuff" approach does not work and history has shown this to be true.
You are confusing perceived positive effects on society if porn did not exist with reality of making it not exist.

Consider it was illegal, how would you react when your family members and friends pay fines and then go to jail for watching porn?
Will you say you deserve this - filthy porn criminals?

 

Porn will always exist. It doesn't have any positive effect on anything, only side effects, and should therefore be banned.
Less access/Less acceptance = harder to get addicted, easier to get help from addiction.

I think that would be great. Through the risk of escalation, they are putting their partners, children and animals in danger of abuse.

 

To this I can only say that humans can rely on thousands of years of history where there were no Porn-Websites, and there were no mass rapes or whatsoever. Actually the sexual misbehavior is getting worse nowadays.

 

You do not spend the time to comprehend the meaning of what is written before replying, you do not understand what is being said.