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Psychology behind porn turning you into somthing your not. fetishes, gender confusion, gay & more

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Deleted Account, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Porn uses tactics know well know in psychology as; learning-study-guide-2795698_FINAL-5bec544ac9e77c005185519d.png

    Classical conditioning

    A study how a dogs mouth would salivate to food, but not a whistle.
    but when the whistle sound was continuously made as the dog got food.
    Then the whistle alone would make the dog salivate.


    So if the girl your viewing is the food, and the stuff she says is the sound of the whistle well you can kind of see how those trigger words such as your a salve, your loser, faggot etc could turn you on.

    Operant conditioning

    mouse given a lever pulls lever gets reward, mouse continuously pulls lever till exhaustion, kind of like porn addiction right pull for reward can't stop haha.

    In porn the excitement is what raises the blood pressure gives you reward. What is more exciting being loved or being attacked. Yes so when they call you a loser faggot that's more exciting than saying you got a big cock. So in turn that's going to be more pleasurable, but it will hurt you emotionally, and give you problems. Also when they say things about you like your salve, faggot etc their faces light up its almost like they give you a reward right when you have that untrue image of yourself in your head the one they suggested. so its almost like they teach you to want to here those things they say about you because it makes you rewarded aka happy lol so your happy when they say those things about you. waiting for them to say it so you can get your reward is anticipation which also raises excitement.

    Observational learning
    best seen how a kid might imitate their dad

    if all you see if a woman getting fucked and her acting like it's ecstasy with all the hypnotic suggestions, subliminal messages and plain forward in your face suggestions porn can make you desire being a girl it can be a turn on its one of the many porn fetishes.

    My honest opinion
    I'm not a psychologist, I know I'm leaving out so many things, things i dont know and understand, things i dont fully know but i do know the porn industry have teams and teams of psychologists who know exactly how to control your mind.

    Sorry for my terrible English and lack of knowledge maybe someone with a psychology degree can better explain it better. maybe NoFap should hire psychologist to study how porn does this.
     
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  2. Jesus! That is exactly how femdom and sissy hypno videos get you hooked in the first place!
    No wonder it progress slowly through your mind, It shows what naturally is attractive to you and then the image is associated with certain words - humiliating words - then the images and the words get associated with images you wouldn't find naturally attractive at ( like, naked male bodies in the case of heterossexual men). All of a sudden you find yourself doing and thinking things you would never do or think If It wasn't for the porn you've been consuming. That's why our mind gets fucked up badly and people start having intrusive thoughts, anxiety, depressivo , etc. The mind knows something is wrong.

    I can't help but think that there is something really dark behind all of these hypno videos. They are all Very professional and clearly made by people who understands psychology Very well.
     
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  3. Let's talk about Porn Induced Triggers (PIT). Porn has thought us how to feel, what we want and who to be.

    This stuff they have thought us is posien, it does not align with who we want to be and therfore it makes us unhappy.

    Is abstaining really going to change my mind, I don't know I don't think so, will the triggers go I don't know I don't think so.

    Do we need repormaning I mean surely if we were computers we would. I don't think abstaining will stop triggers. It's like trauma giving you axitey after 4 year of staying away from spiders the spiders will still trigger you.

    I think PITs need to go the way they came.
    For instance a sissy trigger might be seeging woman's clothing and it turning you on thinking about wearing it.
    how did it orginiate? Maybe a porn video of woman programing you to think it's sexy by using her sexy voice and body body language to trick your brain into thinking that way.
    So maybe the opposite of that would be watching the same video with an ulgy man saying everything she said in a manly and unappealing way somthing that clearly won't turn you on, somthing that will turn you off in disguest. Therefore you will see wearing those items as desgusting. Thus killing the trigger.

    Any thoughts on that?
     
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  4. mana95

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    What about pain arise with past porn urgers, it relieves only after doing pmo. That is really disgusting man. It make you can not masturbate without porn. The addiction is really serious in that way. Where we need to do meditation or control us. That is not easy but worth a try.
     
  5. Yes it doesn't align with us at all, it's fantasy , fantasy is not in anyway reality . Our brains are an oddity sometimes ,

    I have an odd thing with transgendered person , porn and it messed with my head for a bit until I began to understand what was really going on.

    When you see transgendered person porn you fall into a fantasy world and see a women with your genitals your mind makes up its own scenarios. If this person did not have all this surgery to look this feminine , had a beard a deep voice and looked like a man it would be an instant turn off,

    Initially it already is a turn off , but there's something about disgust that can intrigue , then you fall into the fantasy and you see it as a women .

    In the world of fantasy the brain does wha it wants it's fucked up .

    Even if I wanted to get with a male I wouldnt be able to .
    I wouldn't be able to get with a transgendered person in real life because I know the reality. But the porn still creates a fantasy world that isn't a man. It's weird.

    But it's not something I will keep watching for fantasy .

    Because when you stop watching your brain doesn't know how to process the fantasy or process a transgendered person all it knows is that's male and you must be gay.

    But no male is sexually attractive to you and your not gay, this genre is marketed mainly to straight guys .

    It's literally a fantasy of a women having a dick but it's a women in fantasy , not a women you know with a vagina, an even more femine women but the sex drive of you. It's an odd fantasy . It doesn't exist and the reality is far from what you would ever get off at. A male .

    It's definitely something that should be avoided unless your fully aware of the fantasy, and that you will always be questioning and feeling shame when the reality sets in .

    This couldn't be farther from normal porn , even normal porn is considered not reality ,

    So this is a step of escalation your better not partaking in

    And just on the topic of normal porn , and how it teaches us to think . Porn is lazy. And it desensitises you to reality , if you watch millions of images of women over the years without a break your going to get bored and be less able to perform in reality because youve overstimulated your brain. It's all staged , and will make real life boring . Then you have fetishes and fantasy that can have you questioning your sexuality because a literal fucking man has had surgery to look like a women and your brain has escalated to that point where your thinking this chick knows what it feels like , how to pleasure you how your brain works etc and before you know you see the fantasy . But it's an actual man .
    Porn really is some freaky degenerate shit.

    If you want to fuck up your real sexual experiences, get less from them , potentially give yourself erectile dysfunction because the realm thing isn't as stimulating and potentially be one of these guys who are so aroused by the fantasy they go out and fuck a guy who looks like a women .

    That's the porn industry it's warped for sure
     
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  6. The numerous classical conditioning studies suggests that by being aroused when combining the two, woman and dicks, can make you into just dicks alone. We can see this intention easily in sissy hipno.

    So if you find yourself aroused by dicks or even being atracted to men after watch that stuff you've been programed by porn.

    What I'm interested in is how to reverse the damage with the same conditioning techniques.
     
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  7. If that's , abstaining probably
     
  8. No no no no abstaining is more like quiting smoking cold turkey where as I'm interested is changing your feelings towards it.

    Like I love smoking but I quit because of the negivite health problems it was causing. Still my feeling towards smoking are the same today after 3years without smoking but my feelings towards smoking doesn't damage my soul.

    My feelings toward let's say sissy porn is it's hot now let's say I quit it and abstained im still going to think its hot but the difference is unlike loving smoking it damages your soul.

    What I'm really interested in is Changing your feelings towards it making you think its disgusting instead of hot. Porn got you to think it's hot using the conditioning techniques I talked about in my first post but the same techniques can be use to make you think it's disgusting.
     
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  9. I think the best way to find it disgusting , is
    A) overfap to the point there is no arousal and then watch some disgusting shit , like hour long of the most manly transgendered person's blowing there wad and big stinking balls til your grossed out. ( That's the thing with porn escalation less grosses you out once you've wrecked your dopamine levels )
    B) accept that you let your mind give into the fantasy , but underneath is a dude with stinkin hairy smelly balls and it's not even your general dude it's a pervert gay who wants to dip those stinking ball in you

    I don't know it's pretty fucked .
    I think the only way is to abstain and lessen the arousal pattern so that you will be more likely to see the reality and how disgusting it actually is. The fact you get aroused means things are less disgusting.and the fact you have escalated means your more susceptible to watching more extreme disgusting shit to get a dopamine rush, so ironically it can register as less disgusting , that's kind of how fantasy works , your not thinking about the reality.
    So in my opinion the best way is to abstain to lower your threshold and see it for what it is.
    And it will become more disgusting.

    At times I watch it, depending on the material it can be arousing or disgusting . Just don't watch it to provoke it that and it will all become disgusting . You can't change what you get aroused to in the realm of porn , because it is a fantasy world , and your brain sees the fantasy through escalation, that's how the dopamine pathway in the brain develop , the best way is to get your dopamine levels towards it more at default and you will begin to desire it less and less and see it more as disgusting and not give into fantasy . It's a trap , people who get off to this type of shit have over used porn , have poor impulse control and have impaired dopamine and are allowing it to continue . Your not just going to one day decide there is nothing about it that turns you on otherwise it wouldn't have in the first place you only got there through escalation.

    Scroll back a few years when you first started watching porn and if you where anything like me watching normal porn , lesbian porn etc was everything I ever needed when it came to watching porn ,I had seen transgendered person stuff at this stage and it disgusted me , the thought that like a decade + later and I'm bored of normal porn and this stimulates me , is a sign that escalation is real and that the more you escalate the less you find things disgusting
    Always rent that reality and fantasy are always 2 separate things , porn even normal porn is fantasy.

    Some of us have just exposed ourselves to so much that we have created the right conditions in the brain to trigger certain responses.its like any drug your never going to get better with age, your never going to improve like a fine wine your only going to get more and more bent out of shape . I don't think our brains are quite set in stone as we like to think , I think we all have these things in us but the more and more we abuse our brains the more we damage and expose new ways of functioning .

    When I watch it I myt get aroused by it for a few days because it's novel , but after that I have to force myself to stick with it to try and get aroused , it's just the novelty that gives you that big kick in dopamine. That's why when you come back it myt arouse you again.

    You've opened the door and watched it more and more and now find it interesting .

    You can't change how it is, the porn industry promote this genre to straight guys , and the nature itself a femine women with a dick fantasy land . It's not real it's an illusion you can't change that until you start seeing the reality and take responsibility and step back from the fantasy .

    The fact it is extremely novel and if addicted to porn and escalated sure it can be difficult because the brain loves that dopamine.

    If you find it arousing how can you change that, because it has been displayed in a way that you will find it arousing , hence it being promoted to straight males. It's just an illusion.and your dopamine crazed brain allows it in

    Unless you get bored of the novelty or something about it begins to disgust you , all you can do is abstain so that you are less aroused by it and begin to see it as a dude with a set of big stinking hairy balls, man arse , who rips man farts and lives like an animal ,

    Don't condition yourself to the illusion , abstain and see how disgusting it really is.

    To explain how the fantasy and dopamine create what you want to see.

    There are parts in this genre that breakdown the fantasy ,there are only parts that I get aroused by .

    When they bend over and you can see the big man balls swinging that grosses me out it is not a turn on, the penis is not a turn on, initially it was a turn on to watch this women jerking a dick, just like it had always been in straight porn . But that has worn off for me because now I mostly just see this oddity and stinking penis and balls . Other times if I haven't watched it I can fall into the fantasy again if they are extremely femine and are almost more femine than a real women , is sitting in an attractive femine way and there's no hint of masculinity and she's pleasuring herself or there is another women pleasuring her , my brain kicks back into that dopamine athe novelty and my mind goes with the fantasy . All it take is to see certain things that don't turn you on , but because your already aroused and the dopamine is high and your in the fantasy along with the fact you've burnt out your stimulation to regular porn you overlook these things . Where before they where enough .

    I'll watch it now and am grossed out but because bits stimulate in that fantasy you can allow them feel grossed out afterwards

    I know for sure I would never try it out in reality , because the reality would be just that the reality .

    I think you need to try and get your mind around the reality and that you've created the conditions where less and less is disgusting and you need to remove yourself from it if it's really problematic.

    If you try to attempt it in real life then you have a problem , but watching something in porn within reason from time to time isn't so bad but yes it's something you should stop as I am myself .

    Your brain adapts and although I would never go near the reality I don't want my brain becoming desensitsed .

    It's like regular porn I watched so much its now pretty boring , when I abstain for a while it turns me on and I see more of the disgusting for what it is ..this is just the same


    Bare in mind it is an illusion , I wouldn't beat yourself up too much , just look at how the brain works and how this is an escalation , so what you've come to this point that's what happens , you should learn this is a milestone in your pornographic use and it's a sign you should stop and take some responsibility and control back and watch stuff much less often .

    There is a reason why there are certain things I the Bible , and why people who fetishes and or are extreme perverts have a history of chronic porn use .

    Over exposure changes the brain and stimuli needed to produce the same effect.

    To not beat this to death , but it think you just need to acknowledge what this is and don't feed into it . Be normal stop watching so much porn live a healthier life and your brain will adapt to that .
     
  10. You what's funny I recently learned that in my class, so next time somebody tells to embrace your fetish or that you're gay tell them this.
     
  11. Funny thing is even a born gay person could be conditioned to be straight.
     
  12. yeah lol
     
  13. This is honestly a great post with great ideas and I can offer my experience as I feel it would help.

    I began to PMO at the age of 7-8, and I started from pictures of girls, to lesbian on YouTube to lesbian porn, to straight porn, then to “dopamine rush” porn. I remember after awhile of watching so much straight porn I began to become bored and started to find the penis stimulating, and imagining myself as the women. I started doing this at age 12-13, I remember I would watch videos of guys jerking off occasionally and then escalated into gay porn. When I was 14 I got hit with a massive wave of HOCD, and this was due to me never experiencing attraction to men in real life, and having crushes and real attraction to girls my entire life.

    ***ALSO very important to note, that every time I masturbated to these ideas/videos that gave me this dopamine rush, after climax I would feel tremendous disgust and I knew I wasn’t into what I fapped too.

    When I got HOCD, I discovered NoFap and began to attempt abstaining. I failed over and over and over, eventually I was good enough to go 8-15 days at a time without binging. Remember I instilled PMO into my life before I even hit puberty, so quitting is very difficult, something I haven’t been able to do till today.

    While I was 15, I slowly deescalated my porn addiction, and whatever I did worked very very well. When you claim you don’t believe abstaining will fix conditioning, because you have to retrain your brain, that’s kind of what happened to me. Slowly, vanilla videos started to become more and more arousing, I eventually would become rock hard from seeing pictures of milfs. Now this was over the span of a year, by the time I was halfway to being 16, anything gay related was repulsive, and gay porn was disgusting and not slightly arousing, and women became arousing again.


    Fast forward 3 years, I’m 18 now, and I can’t ever get off to men, and I can’t even understand how I ever did. Still to this day I have never experienced sexual or romantic feelings for a man, while I have pursued many girls and I’ll tell you right now, girls get me hornier than ever and idk what I would do in a world without them. I’ve caught feelings for a couple girls since my HOCD phase, and the idea of dating a girl I have feelings for her and she shares those feelings sounds insane and I’m dying to experience it. (I had a girlfriend in 7th grade that I was “in love” with, which I just had strong feelings for, but that don’t count)

    I have become addicted to porn again this year, and I have escalated into incest, but I can never see myself escalating to anything gay ever again, I just can’t fathom the idea of anything sexual with a man, it doesn’t feel right and it’s repulsive.

    Maybe the reason I fell into the gay shit was because I was so young, and didn’t understand what I was doing was wrong, looking back, I fapped to the idea of the novelty and how “wrong” it felt, which would give me a huge rush, I don’t think I really masturbated to the actual sex. I do this now with porn related to my mom, and that’s why I’m back on NoFap.
     
  14. shogun-fighter

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    The third type explains a lot. Not only I started getting into weird fetishes, after a while I also started to act like in those videos when I masturbate.
    I basically watched all those people doing weird stuff and then my brain wanted to imitate their behaviors.

    For example lets say you start watching feet porn, then sometime later you start sucking your own toes because..... you saw people doing that. Even though sucking toes creates no objetive pleasure, your brain starts producing dopamine from that behavior since it associates doing that with the porn you watch and masturbation. The same applies to all kinds of weird porns and people acting out on them by copying what people do in those vidoes.

    I guess the good thing is that all sorts of conditioned/learned behaviors can be unlearned as long as you stay away from it's source (porn) and don't practice those behaviors for a long time.
    I think that for people who reached this stage of addiction will need more than 3 months. I've read something like 6 months to a year on YBOP. I tried the 3 months a few times and I noticed great improvements, but then some time later I slip back into porn and some of those things return.
    I decided to do not only 1 year but as long as it takes to completely get rid of this trash. If needed I'll live a monk life as long as I need. Better than humiliating myself by doing those things and then feeling horrible afterwards.
     
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  15. WhiteLion

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    In historical terms the over abundance of sexual material that exists now is creating conditions that are not new, but are more normalized. People can now groom themselves without even knowing it. We think of it as private, so we do not talk about it. It can take time and a few eye opening experiences to realize what has happened.

    One of the criticisms I have heard people say about the nofap subculture is that it is a "cult" (a meaningless delegitimizing term) full of (depending on the critic) "toxic men" or "victims". These claims are by an large not true, but to the extent that they are, it is normal to feel hurt and to express that pain. People are working out aspects of themselves that they now realize have been manipulated. People are trying to understand themselves and that is going to involve challenging the way you understand the world and yourself.
     
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  16. Yes this is normally something only a very powerful and wealthy man would have had access to - a harem of slaves.
    Interestingly many men who had this access like unlimited wine cellars only got more and more addicted and less and less enjoyment, and they have to keep 'escalating' to more and more depraved behavior to get 'turned on'.

    It was said in the 'end' Hugh Heffner had to watch gay porn while two women tried to stimulate him and this is a guy who had access to countless 'sexy' women.
     
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  17. Zeus7777

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    transwoman/transgendered person/sissy it's targeted to straight guys, I mean if it wasn't meant for straight guys, why would they need to make the actors extra attractive like curves and all that, it's all because they tryna mess with your brain and if you noticed in all the vids, they'll delay showing your down there, they'll start by a strip tease so that by the time she takes out her/his D, you're already hooked enough to stop watching, so you just continue ignoring the tiny doubt at the back of your head. So doubting and feeling confused clearly a sign that you're being manipulated by their stuff. Some are so far deep into the other side they aren't even sure anymore. But the best part is that we heal, we can go back to our normal true self when we go PMO free.
     
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  18. Peiskos

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    I know all about this, over time you keep looking for something more novel and something that will get you going, over time you start watching bizarre and weird types of porn because you keep looking for the next high, it could start from a simple foot fetish to getting drawn into femdom, cuckolding etc and its damaging to your sexual function. I know this from personal experience.

    I know it's easier said than done but just tell porn to F off, porn is designed to make you addicted and its designed to drain men of their lifeblood, desire and willpower. Porn is designed to make you weak and addicted. It is literally a drug that will destroy your life no different than cocaine, heroin etc.
     
  19. The 'harem' that is an internet connection, a hand, an imagination and possibly a bank account. Quite sad, really.
     

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