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Someone talk me out of this (trans escort)

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Fallacious D, May 22, 2020.

  1. Real talk...
    If you want strangers to talk you out of it, you are too far gone.
    Hope you didn't do it, cuz the guilt is going to be astronomical sometime in the future.
     
  2. That.
     
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  3. drISlittle

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    I mean, on one hand, where else are you gonna be able to get pegged by a hot trans escort, that is what you wanted, right? At the same time only you know how you're going to feel afterwards. Maybe you're just thinking too much about it. Its a simple sexual experience. If it leads you further down the rabbit hole, oh well.
     
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  4. I think you've given the most rational input so far. Yeah, I feel like there's no "right" way to handle this. You are right, there is only one way to have this experience, and it's the way I described. No one possesses knowledge of how I will be affected, or whether I will enjoy it, even though many people are very sure of themselves that they my experiences will be just like theirs or someone else's, which is the height of ignorance. On the other hand, I know that I have an overly sexualized and skewed mindset from PMO addiction. With this as my sole information, combined with my preference for emotional relationships over sexual relationships, I have no choice but to play it safe and focus on rebooting first.
     
  5. I don't consider the people on this forum strangers, because I have a higher degree of value and trust in your opinions, given that we have a common struggle. I disagree that I'm too far gone. I was having a large amount of intense urges when I wrote the OP, and was feeling particularly impulsive.
     
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  6. drISlittle

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    Its important to remember that a sexual experience with another person is a lot different than being addicted to PMO. Reason I'm here is my PMO has so badly affected other area's of my life I almost can't do things with another person anymore. But I mean, as long as theirs like, lube I guess you don't really need to "perform" to get what you want. I don't exactly see it as this hugely negative thing, and hot trans girls are in high demand, most dudes won't ever get that chance unless they pay so. Up to you but if that's your choice I'd leave it at that.
     
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  7. There's no objective harm in doing such a thing, but my experience may negatively affect my life. If I could guarantee that it would just be a fun experience with no cost other than the monetary one, I'd probably do it. But I can't guarantee that and there is some evidence that it could cause a degree of harm. I'll figure it out.
     
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  8. Ah! I see. :) Don't take anything I say too seriously, lol. (I know that you wouldn't mind me, still just saying.)
     
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  9. In what sense
    In what sense is a negative effect on your life not objective harm? Do you think your mind and emotions are less real than money or your body? Psychological damage is arguably more serious than 'objective' loss; a physical scar can usually be covered up, forgotten and explained away, but a scar in your psyche is way harder to articulate, resolve, or otherwise deal with.
     
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  10. When I say objective I mean inherent. The act itself is neutral, but depending on who's doing it, the action could become less neutral and instead harmful.
     
  11. g2stop

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    There is harm in some sexual activity. Nofap came about because of the harm in fapping. Porn is supranormal sexual stimulus and that is known to be harmful. Prostitutes also provide supranormal stimulus, because they are paid to go beyond what a normal girl would do.

    Why do you want to be talked out of this if you believe there is no harm?
     
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  12. Because I want an honest comparison between the sensory pleasure and educational value of sexual engagement and the psychological ramifications of commencing such an act - a comparison that is unfeasible for me to make solitarily given by my hampered ability to rationalize the implications of these phenomena as a result of an addiction-tainted mindset.

    Listen, in my view there is no inherent harm in fucking another person, assuming protection is used. Similar how to there is no inherent harm in driving a motor vehicle that meets inspection standards. But when you add alcohol or road rage, people get hurt. That doesn't mean that it's bad to use a car. Same with fucking. If someone has a propensity for problematic results of sexual activity, then it becomes important to weigh the costs and benefits of fucking. I am in such a predicament - rather, I distinctly don't know whether having sex in the way I described will be harmful to me or harmless. If not for the question of PMO addiction, it would probably be harmless. But I doubt that the overlap between PMO and actual sex is as one-to-one as people seem to claim on this site. I reached out to the forum because I wanted an unbiased cost-benefit analysis of whether this will be good or bad for me. But it seems like no matter where I go, there is bias. I should have known better.
     
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  13. GottaBFree

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    I’ve enjoyed reading your thoughts on every thread I’ve seen them in. I’ll spare you sugar coating the thoughts I have because I respect you as a poster and I think you’d always be willing to do the same for anyone.

    Sex isn’t removed from emotions for healthy people.

    This would be very bad for you.

    How I get there:

    A bias free thought in an adult is a fantasy, but that’s not a bad thing. Going Cartesian isn’t practical, or even reasonable that bias would be removed.

    But it’s possible to apply Ockham’s Razor which I think looks like this:

    These forums are full of P addicts lying to themselves that their addiction has special circumstances that make some things ok for them. The particulars are always different, but the root cause is always the same. The root cause isn’t interesting or special.

    It’s what we do as addicts. It proves that this is an addiction.

    Often times I like to debate to figure out what I really think. This isn’t one of those times. If there was a way to accurately score this; I’d bet everything I own against $500 that banging a transgendered person prostitute will make you less happy and healthy in the long run.

    In the end you get to do you... but I think you are wise to consider trauma if it’s a bad choice. No matter what you do there are lots of people here who care about you as a community member and will support you as you want to be supported.
     
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  14. g2stop

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    The problem is that your addicted brain is not thinking rationally and you want to debate this rationally. You should reboot so that you can think rationally then we can have a true rational debate, otherwise we are going to keep going round in circles. I know that when I am deep into the addiction, I will rationalise whatever I want to happen.

     
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  15. GottaBFree

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    A nicer, better way to make the same point I was trying to make.

    I’ll stay out of this and any similar discussion because I never do a good job of that lol.

    @FellatiousD I wish you good luck in the PM journey and finding what you want. I’m a fan of your posts and I wish you well.

    I’m 24 hours from my most recent reset and I try to run away from thoughts about what I need to work on at the wrong times lol. My addict brain takes me anywhere but where it needs to go.

    I feel settled on what I need to do now. I just struggle to get there. My view of the healthy happy life isn’t unique and doesn’t need representation to help others in debates lol.

    Good luck in your journey!
     
  16. Wave tamer

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    I wasn’t being biased, I was talking from experience. I’ve been a sex addict for years and it escalated into Trans escorts. I found it a lot more addictive than porn to be honest and way more expensive. I reached points where I’d try and rationalise my behaviours and convince myself I was into it. It’s called cognitive distortions. Learning and being aware of these distortions are a key role in beating addiction. There were times I’d feel really disgusted with the act, shameful and powerless and times where I’d think don’t beat yourself up about it, its no big deal. I realised that being compassionate to myself and not so critical about the situation was a better option, but still had to accept this wasn’t the way I wanted to live my life. In all the acting out experiences I had there were some enjoyable wild moments. There was when I used drugs in the past but they were fleeting, keeping me chasing that bigger hit. I just thought this site and the reboot was working towards being the best version of yourself and setting goals for an amazing life. If your future goal is to settle down with a trans or dude then that is great and work towards that. Why don’t you try dating transgenders and get to know them before you sleep with them I’m sure they’d feel a lot more human and respected if you did. This would help you realise if it was your thing and not just a perversion. I personally have come to realise through meetings, counselling and talking to trans sex workers that just using them for sex is addictive behaviour. But no beef, I was just trying to put you off and save you a lot of pain.
     
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  17. I appreciate this. But what I'm saying is that I sincerely don't know IF there will be negative results from this due to my addiction, and to what extent these results will affect my life. I'm making an inquiry, not an assertion. I agree that I am unable to fully rationalize sexual desires, which is why I have come to the forum. Is it possible that my addiction will have harmful effects on my sexual experiences? Yes, that possibility exists, which is why I have approached this with caution rather than intuition. I don't like to rely on intuition over evidence and reason. But whereas I was tempted to use intuition to go through with something potentially harmful, it seems that other people are using intuition in order to persuade me otherwise. You yourself said that you "bet" that I would be less happy and healthy. But I don't think you're in a position to know what would happen to me, and you can only extrapolate based on what other people have shared on these forums. There is a distinct lack of information here - that's all I'm saying.

    In the end, I've already decided that I'm going to play it safe on this one.
     
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  18. Very good input here. It always bothers me when I or someone else asks for advice, only to be met with dogmatism and moral condemnation. This really does no good from a recovery perspective.
     
  19. Azarel Jason

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    Don't do it, I did once and it made me loathe myself to the point of wanting to commit suicide. + it turned out that person was even living close to where I was living at the time, it was a walk of shame around my neighbourhood in constant fear that someone would find out. The condom broke too when I did it, and I got feacies on my penis, I did not get clean for a very long time laying in the shower like a rape victim, and had nightmares about it.
     
  20. Thanks dude. Welcome to NoFap.
     
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