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What is your opinion about masturbation (without porn)?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by BloodyM, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    Now I understand why people have stopped responding to you. You are just trolling everyone with your rhetorically inflated substanceless arguments. But I'm still going to take the bait, as long as it continues to entertain me :emoji_grin:

    Who said it's the only function? Not me. I said it's the natural function. The main function of a pen is to write words on a piece of paper, doesn't imply you cannot use it as chopsticks or coat hanger too. I'm not responsible for you putting words into my mouth.

    I never said one did. I said the biological function of sexual arousal/stimulation of reproductive organs which occurs during masturbation is reproduction.

    I never said they were the same activities, obviously. Which is the whole point. You are using the same natural biological function (sexual stimulation + ejaculation) without it's intended natural purpose (activity of stimulating yourself as opposed to the activity of being stimulated by another body). Sex is a natural concept which uses the biological function of sexual stimulation and pleasure. Masturbation is not a natural concept which also uses the biological function of sexual stimulation and pleasure. Wait, are you really saying you are not aware of the thousands of users on this site saying their penis is not functioning during sex? But oh sure, clearly there is no connection between sex and masturbation. Clearly the brain chemistry being messed up because of excessive masturbation affecting sexual performance has no meaning. I think you are the one being in denial here.

    I feel like you are taking crazy pills. Where did I ever deny that masturbation doesn't induce pleasure? Putting words into people's mouths to prove your point is not going to help you.

    Do you have amnesia? Did you forget addressing my point where I said an action being unnatural doesn't make it wrong?

    More amnesia. I said in my previous post already that there is no causal relationship between observed behavior in animals and the concept of nature. "Natural selection is the differential survival and reproduction of individuals due to differences in phenotype. It is a key mechanism of evolution, the change in the heritable traits characteristic of a population over generations." Phenotype being for example penis and vagina. They exist so they can fulfill their biological function of keeping the species alive. Masturbation does not contribute to nature's purpose of ensuring individual or generational survival of biological life. Therefore, it is unnatural.

    I've never made such a generalized statement. I've never said everything that is unnatural is bad or wrong or unhealthy. You took it out of context. You seem to lack the ability to understand nuances when talking about general concepts. I was talking about masturbation being unnatural and therefore interfering with a naturally designed (yes, I am going to continue using this word because I proved you wrong that it is a religious term and apparently used by academics and experts in the field of evolutionary biology and science that I trust more than some random person on the internet) balance of brain chemicals in the reward centre. Wearing clothes does not change our brain chemistry or physiological functions. Neither does having tattoos or piercings which are all unnatural. Medicine fixes damaged brain chemistry or physiological functions to function naturally again. However, masturbating and conditioning neutrotransmitters to respond to unnatural stimuli changes our brain chemistry so that with enough repetition, we cannot function properly in everyday life which people on NoFap are living proof of. Also it's funny how you keep insisting that something being unnatural doesn't necessarily make it unhealthy, implying that you DO think masturbation is unnatural but not automatically unhealthy because of it. You need to make up your mind.

    Most modern diseases of the digestive system are caused because of processed foods. Because again, our digestive system just like our brain chemistry evolved thousands of years ago when it had to adapt to fruits and other nature-based foods.

    How can you not see that there are different levels to something being unhealthy? Is it narrow mindedness? I don't know what it is but I cannot help you see something obviously logical. Do you think smoking cigarettes and flooding your lungs with waste is healthy? Do you think flooding your liver with alcohol is healthy? Do you think doing these things once a month or year will leave any permanent damage to your health? Maybe not. Maybe it will. If you want to hear from me that masturbating once a month is not harmful in the long term despite not being healthy, then my answer would be I don't know. But as I already said in my first post, something that gives me no long term benefits and has a negative effect on my health - be it only short-term or both short- and long-term - gives me no motivation to do it. I'd rather play a game, read a book or play a fun sport, which all give me pleasure and all benefit me in some other way in the long-term.

    Well this officially confirms it. You are superhuman. But please don't project your superhuman-ness on normal humans, because that's not fair.

    Why are you on NoFap then?
     
  2. You said "the function" which is a directive. The word "the" implicitly excludes other functions. you wanted to be inclusive you would say "a function," or "the main function." I did not put the word "the" in your mouth, you said it of your own will, and you don't want to admit any time you make a mistake.

    Because I have a self-identified problem with compulsive masturbation and sometimes porn. And that has nothing to do with whether masturbation is healthy or unhealthy.

    Yes you did:
    I don't think you understand the meaning of logical connectives like "implies," "therefore," etc. Or you do understand these terms and you are just arguing in bad faith. I told you that masturbation is natural, and you have yet to offer any rebuttal.


    Here is the argument that I am most interested in:
    You said that "with enough repetition, we cannot function properly...". First of all, you state this without any proof. Anecdotal experiences from people on this site don't count because this is a biased population. Secondly you have not defined what it means to "function properly" and how this has anything to do with one's individual health. Thirdly, you are introducing quantity into the discussion. I am arguing against the notion that masturbation is unhealthy in any amount, which is what seems to have been proposed. I do not disagree that masturbation CAN be unhealthy in large enough amounts, because that is very easily shown. Your task is to prove why masturbation is unhealthy in any amount, unless you want to abandon that argument.

    If you are willing to state that masturbation is not necessarily unhealthy, then we would be in agreement.
     
  3. Prince6543

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    I hope you have personal experience to back this statement
     
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    So you are suggesting semen retention for as long as until you have real sex?
     
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    You can masturbate without thinking about anything and still masturbation is a addiction and socially detaches you ?
     
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  6. Prince6543

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    1. You are saying whatever you were told was useless and utter bullshit?
    2. I can agree that masturbation is useless. But it's still something that can make you feel good even at worse times
     
  7. Then it's not useless.
     
  8. Prince6543

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    Agreed to every single point. I understand that.
    I have a personal problem though. I have a foot fetish and I was a porn addict. But now I'm 50 days on NoFap hardcore. And I'm planning that after 90 days or more my mind will be rebooted to reset and then I can start masturbating to vanilla or normal sex porn to recondition my mind away from foot fetish and more towards sex. Even if I get addicted to vanilla porn in this process, I will be more than happy. What's your take on this?
     
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  9. Prince6543

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    Yeah. It's like a treat. Its bad for health but sometimes you need a cheat day
     
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    Now I know why you considered me to be a masturbation addict previously which I am not.
    Where do I get these ideas and perspective from? Well I would say CIRCUMSTANCES that I have faced and is still facing
     
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    My situations are different. I have a foot fetish. I can't get hard by boobs ass or normal porn. Sex looks impossible for me. If anything arouses me that's foot fetish, femdom , thoughts of being humiliated. I try every day just so that I could get hard on by normal porn
     
  12. Not masturbating raises your social status among certain groups of people, doesn't it?
     
  13. Prince6543

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    Yup that surprised face of people makes me feel superior
     
  14. As far as healthy people are concerned - does not masturbating when they want it makes any sense? Other than winning some sort of approval from some people who shouldn't even care about your masturbation habits to begin with?
     
  15. What a dumb fucking answer...
    If you have nothing constructive to say, why bother? Lol.
     
  16. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    You really do have amnesia or you are dyslexic. Either one.

    Now it's not fun anymore to keep feeding the troll. Thank you for wasting my time and have a nice life. :emoji_grin:
     
  17. Prince6543

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    • I didn't aquire it. I was born with it. I have it since I was 8 or 9 years old.
    • I can agree that I have wired myself to Feet Only* by masturbating.
    • I have not masturbated for 50 days but still the situation is more or less the same
     
  18. Wave Surfer 2.0

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    Sorry, I don't understand why you want to keep watching vanilla porn after 90 day reboot? If your foot fetish is porn-induced and you reboot long enough, it will just fade away, no need to recondition your brain with vanilla porn.
     
  19. Prince6543

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    Does not smoking when you want to try makes sense?
     
  20. Prince6543

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    That's the problem. It's not porn induced.
     
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