(I think that) NoFap is bollocks

Ferns · Jul 17, 2020

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Convince me otherwise.

Edit: I'm not stupid. I haven't set my mind on not changing my mind. I am willing to admit I'm wrong but for that I need some proof.
I am merely asking you to provide one.
I wouldn't like to engage in activities that destroy my health. But how do I know if something I do is bad for me?
I am not an idiot. I don't believe everything I hear or read.
That's why I'm skeptical about NoFap as a whole.
Because to me it seems to be filled with lies occasionally mixed with a bit of truth.
That's simply not convincing to me.
I refuse to change my opinion because what I know about biology and nature discqualifies many claims this website promotes (eg masturbation drains you off of testosterone, it is bad for your kidneys, your brain gets rewired and so on and so forth.)
This isn't troll topic. I am open to discuss and change my mind if enough evidence is presented.
Now give it to me.

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Don't take this the wrong way but this looks more like a buy-my-super-cool-product website. Give me science research any day, but not this piece of junk.

Ted Talk full of half-truths presented to persuade, not to inform.
The problem with half-truths is that, unlike flat-out lies, you can't simply call out the author for lying. Half-truth is a string of falsehoods mixed with some chunks of truths which makes it really difficult to say exactly why it is not true because it is complicated.
This sort of talks, websites and what not is a common strategy when someone having nothing of real value to offer does in order to sell their useless product. First, they create a problem, and second, they offer a solution.
(How to stop watching evil porn. Anyone want to buy it?)
This doesn't work on people having critical thinking skills. However not everyone thinks critically. And Gary Wilson knows it.

Also, why are the comments to this video turned off?
And one more thing. Why is there: "NOTE FROM TED: This talk contains several assertions that are not supported by academically respected studies in medicine and psychology. While some viewers might find advice provided in this talk to be helpful, please do not look to this talk for medical advice." if the Gary Wilson himself claims otherwise?

I don't doubt addictions to things exist.
But what does that prove exactly?
I read them but don't really understand what the point was? It's not like they made it clear. The vocabulary within them included 'perhaps', 'we assume', and 'further studies recommended.'
They aren't definitive. They don't conclude jack squat.

Unpopular opinion: what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex?
You haven't got problems with legalizing gay marriages, yet you find it disgusting to see a man and a woman together?
Unless you're referring to abuse and pedophilia, you are a blind follower of social taboos without giving them a second thought.
Now sue me.

Assumptions but no hard proof.
If pigs had wings then I assume they could fly.
But that's it. I can only assume that.

I wish I had erectile dysfunction. At least I wouldn't have to bother with random erections when around people. Or with the morning wood.
Now seriously.
I have never been interested in any disturbing things. I did see some of them, but never liked any of them.
The older I got, the more liking I caught to the romantic stuff. This is important because as a teenager I was into sex only and love was for suckers, but now ironically I am more into intimacy and love.
Also, my personal opinion is that porn actresses are ugly. The most beautiful I ever saw were average at best. I don't really know why some people are so obsessed over them and claim that "porn creates unrealistic beauty standards."
Like fucken what?
A model wearing a bra that you can find on google images is millions times more attractive than... Ehh you got the point.
To cut it short: no dysfunctions, no escalating, nothing.

How wonderfully convenient.
Health professional with extensive training suck but no worries because NoFap is going to save your life.
What the f.
Now NoFap and Gary Wilson don't have to invest a cent in ads because you advertise the whole thing for free by yourselves.

No, no, and no.
If you think it's a dump then why the hell are you watching this? Besides, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Illegal? What happened to the Freedom of Information then? Has it been removed from my list of freedoms? Just because somebody didn't like it? Goddamn it.
Mentally ill drug addicts doing porn is a popular belief but as far as I know most of them have acting degrees, the sets are professional, and involve people from all walks of life.
Just like... well, any job in the world?
You do get alcohol addicts in the supermarket but does that mean you aren't going to buy from it anymore? Because they employ someone with a problem?
Goddamn it.
Also, there are amateur porn videos involving normal people not associated with porn industry whatsoever.
So in my eyes, your whole argument fell through.

I will also remember that the person who serves me at a supermarket is desperate for the job and does that only for money and their boss is an ass.
I guess I will just avoid the supermarket completely. Because you know. They are desperate to work there.
Goddamn it.

I'm sorry but even if that's the case, what does that prove?
Assuming I'm watching porn, that is.
What does that say about me?

No. It's about promoting their products and making money.
Open your eyes.
Gambling addicts don't get treated by online strangers.
Alcoholics don't get treated by online strangers either.
That's what psychiatrists are for.

Have you not noticed this emotional title at the top of the website calling for action against the enemy and its allies?
'Defend' to show themselves as victims, 'against' to point at the enemy, 'porn industry' after defend against to convey that they are the enemy, 'and its allies' to convey there is potentially an overwhelming number of enemies. Then you have the green button 'End the harassment' in order to call you for action and this word 'harassment' to evoke emotional response in the reader.

Jesus fecking Christ. This is Write to Persuade done by the book. Even without knowing any of these, doesn't it look at least a little bit exaggerated to you?

No, it is not a non-profit noble organization aiming to improve the world.
It's a business.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim.
Similar line of argument to yours.
It has it's latin name I can't be bothered to look for now. Sorry.

And no, I don't defend anything or anybody. I thought I made it clear already.

Fitness, meditation and reading is your own fan fiction.
NoFap is only about not masturbating, watching porn and sometimes about abstaining completely.
Everything else comes from you.
It is free to a certain degree. And yes, there is an illusion of choice that you can but don't have to pay a penny.
But it's designed in a way to make you feel amazing if you do choose to purchase something.
It's called manipulation.
For instance, someone invested or even addicted to forum might feel an urge to donate NoFap because it gives them a rank and a medal under their nickname (or change of colour, whatever that is) which basically is a symbol of status among everybody else.
Or TLR: a dopamine boost.
Hmmm...
Now the call for action at the top of the website is just a gentle push in that direction. That is, the direction of closing the sale.
You know, that call for action to defend this poor little thing NoFap and its founder against the porn industry and its fucking galactic alliance of enemies bent on ruining the movement and stopping people from thinking critically.
Hmmm....
Or when you have people buying a book to make themselves look more credible because "I have read it, therefore I'm smarter", nevermind books are of different qualities and book as a book ain't a source but whatever.
But it looks like it so Gary doesn't have to worry about paying his bills anymore anyway.
No pun on Gary. I'm glad that out of all people not liking porn (I think he doesn't, not like he ever told me about his own porn usage) he is doing really well for himself.
Another thing someone does in order to boost their status and dopamine is promoting NoFap and defending it because that gives them likes (and that's dopamine) and indirectly promotes the movement as a whole. In the long run, there will be thousands of people reading those superlatives about how useful NoFap is, therefore they will be more likely to give their own money for status and what not and also promote the whole thing by themselves.
The process can now continue indefinitely.
Content creation resulting in business done by the book.
Well done to whoever was behind the whole idea. It worked.

There isn't a single study linking porn with detriment to anything. Not directly anyway.
As I said, I don't doubt humans are addictive creatures. But preaching that all over again when we all agreed it does exist is nothing short of rediscovering America 500 years later.

View A is believed by number of people.
Someone with view B starts to debate with the person with view A.
They exchange arguments.
View B has some points.
View A also has some points.
Eventually, person with view A proves that it's true.
Person with view B accepts it.
View A is strengthened. More people believe in it now.

That's what discussions are for.
I'm sorry you are so sure of your view that you don't want to risk exposing it even though proving it right should strengthen it in the eyes of everyone else including those not involved in the discussion.
Let's call me a troll instead. That way you won't risk the possibility that you are wrong.

Nonsense.

You do realize male ejects no more than 5ml of semen?
And the next time it is even far less than that?
And that 5ml vs tens of kilograms of body ain't much?
What minerals would you be possibly losing anyway?
You will lose more with sweat during a day of inactivity.
Well-balanced diet will cover for these several milliliters of simple sugars and zinc. No worries.
And why have you mentioned testosterone?
Do you have any idea how it works?
It is not sitting down there waiting a couple of days before traveling up there to make you smarter/more confident/yada yada.
Nope.
Testosterone, like any other hormone for that matter, is in your blood.
Blood.
And blood is everywhere, in every micrometer of your body.
Sex/masturbation does not magically reduce your level of testosterone.
Although it is truth testes are responsible for its production, it is not truth they are storing it inside of them or somewhere in semen.
This is not how hormones work.
Besides. Even if you really can do something to increase your levels of testosterone, or any other hormone for that matter, your body will act on it and do everything it can to reduce the levels to the optimum.
Likewise, even if you somehow decrease levels of testosterone in your body, it will increase its production in order to restore the optimum levels of it.
Whichever the case, your body will do what it must to maintain the optimum level of testosterone.
It will do that with other hormones too.
And your blood sugar level.
And core body temperature.
And everything else.
You know what they call it?
They call it homeostasis.

As far as Mike Tyson. I assume he did nothing else except for abstaining from ejaculation? And this thing itself turned him into a legend?
There was no other factors?
None at all?
Okay.

And what is this Semen Retention = Above Average Life thing?
That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Unless you are going to believe in this:

Success story #1
I was a loser all my life. I was too shy to talk to anyone. I was broke. I was short. I was skinny.
And this is the result of 30 days of NoFap:

Success story #2
From a no-life with no life to CEO of a company.
I stopped fapping and coincidence had it my old school buddy called me and proposed that we start a joint company with me as the second CEO.
I haven't done anything to make this company a thing yet but you wait and see. I will update once the pigs fly.
NoFap truly works wonders.
Hang in there brothers and sisters!
Don't let one second of pleasure ruin months and years of your life!

Success story #3
PMO kills your social skills completely!
Before NoFap:
• Lack of confidence
• Extremely angry and moody
• Remaining Upset and mindless all the day
• Poor or zero eye contact
• Graying of hair fastly
• Bloodless face and eyes
• Lack of beard even in late puberty
• Extremely poor skin - Small white and red bumps all over
• Brain fog- This one is really irritating
• Little pain and tickling in pubic area after excessive PMO sometimes
• Weak or incomplete erection when aroused
• Deposition of fat around body( Due to uneven burning of fat )
• Weak bones and very often crackling sound while movement.
• Premature ageing symptoms
• Wanted to be alone due to the addiction, feels very shy and uncomfortable around people( PMO kills your social skills completely )
After completing my 6-month achievement I noticed the following:
- More confidence for sure
- Eye contact improved
- Brain fog gone (Easy to grasp and remember things fastly)
- Experiencing hard and long lasting Morning Wood (Almost everyday)
- Voice improved
- More stamina
- More energy all the day
- Didn't feel sleepy and exhausted even at night
- Feel strong and confident around people
- Skin Improvement
You have to train your mind. I will say that this is definitely not the end of the reboot process. It's a life long process. You have to control your emotions, your bad habits which are becoming a hurdle for your future. Our motto should be PMO free life. Thanks to Nofap community.

No pun intended, but these stories are hard to believe.
Some more than others.

I don't doubt there were a couple of true and genuine stories out there.
But it's more of a belief thing rather than true science.
With which I have no problem.
What I do have a problem with is branding it as real science when in reality it is not even a shadow of it.
Common biology information is enough to ruin many claims that can be found in here.
Testosterone thing is one of them.

I have little doubt people attending acupuncture sessions didn't notice any improvement.
Indeed, they have.
But correlation does not equal causation.
And hundred of legitimate science trials proved it.
They proved acupuncture is nothing short of placebo.
It was not needles that improved mood and reduced pain.
It was human contact.
And therefore endorphins.
And feeling that someone has got your back.
And therefore more endorphins.

As a matter of actual fact, not a single person in the history of humanity got cured with acupuncture.
Mood boost is not an above-average life.
Pardon me.
But that's just that.
It's a mood boost.
Temporary feeling.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, what does acupuncture have to do with the price of tea in China?
It assumes, against everything we know about biology, physiology, diseases etc, that needles can cure you.
NoFap, against everything we know, assumes the same.
Some claims make sense.
Some claims are bolder than others.
Some are just plain ridiculous.
But what they all do have in common is lack of definitive proof.

Without proof, we can only speculate.
However, we do have common sense + knowledge of various subjects.
This is how I destroyed the testosterone myth.
And this is how any other similar myth can be destroyed.
Don't believe me?
Throw them at me and I'll show you.
Click to expand...

I dunno my G but I’ve been doing Nofap for 3 years now and I thought it was a bollocks too but in my opinion, it depends on the person.

If one believes it is working then it is. If not, then it’s bollocks. I just relapsed last night and I feel horrible, guilty, shame, regret, and my confidence dropped significantly as well as my aggressiveness. Like, for real I’m not even exaggerating.

This is just my own experience though. I once thought enough is enough, Nofap isn’t legit and goes on fapping for a week then I felt so down. Not just physically but mentally too.

If you still fine after fapping and watching porn then good for you. But one should try Nofap for 90 days (which I haven’t achieved due to how difficult it is till this day) and compare themselves before and after abstaining from PMO.

But hey, just my opinion tho. Stay safe.

vercent99 · Jul 18, 2020

op has a fetish for debates

Deleted Account · Jul 18, 2020

JoshuaGraham said: ↑

View attachment 24909
28th December 2019
Upsie daisy

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Convince me otherwise.

Edit: I'm not stupid. I haven't set my mind on not changing my mind. I am willing to admit I'm wrong but for that I need some proof.
I am merely asking you to provide one.
I wouldn't like to engage in activities that destroy my health. But how do I know if something I do is bad for me?
I am not an idiot. I don't believe everything I hear or read.
That's why I'm skeptical about NoFap as a whole.
Because to me it seems to be filled with lies occasionally mixed with a bit of truth.
That's simply not convincing to me.
I refuse to change my opinion because what I know about biology and nature discqualifies many claims this website promotes (eg masturbation drains you off of testosterone, it is bad for your kidneys, your brain gets rewired and so on and so forth.)
This isn't troll topic. I am open to discuss and change my mind if enough evidence is presented.
Now give it to me.

____________________________________________

Don't take this the wrong way but this looks more like a buy-my-super-cool-product website. Give me science research any day, but not this piece of junk.

Ted Talk full of half-truths presented to persuade, not to inform.
The problem with half-truths is that, unlike flat-out lies, you can't simply call out the author for lying. Half-truth is a string of falsehoods mixed with some chunks of truths which makes it really difficult to say exactly why it is not true because it is complicated.
This sort of talks, websites and what not is a common strategy when someone having nothing of real value to offer does in order to sell their useless product. First, they create a problem, and second, they offer a solution.
(How to stop watching evil porn. Anyone want to buy it?)
This doesn't work on people having critical thinking skills. However not everyone thinks critically. And Gary Wilson knows it.

Also, why are the comments to this video turned off?
And one more thing. Why is there: "NOTE FROM TED: This talk contains several assertions that are not supported by academically respected studies in medicine and psychology. While some viewers might find advice provided in this talk to be helpful, please do not look to this talk for medical advice." if the Gary Wilson himself claims otherwise?

I don't doubt addictions to things exist.
But what does that prove exactly?
I read them but don't really understand what the point was? It's not like they made it clear. The vocabulary within them included 'perhaps', 'we assume', and 'further studies recommended.'
They aren't definitive. They don't conclude jack squat.

Unpopular opinion: what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex?
You haven't got problems with legalizing gay marriages, yet you find it disgusting to see a man and a woman together?
Unless you're referring to abuse and pedophilia, you are a blind follower of social taboos without giving them a second thought.
Now sue me.

Assumptions but no hard proof.
If pigs had wings then I assume they could fly.
But that's it. I can only assume that.

I wish I had erectile dysfunction. At least I wouldn't have to bother with random erections when around people. Or with the morning wood.
Now seriously.
I have never been interested in any disturbing things. I did see some of them, but never liked any of them.
The older I got, the more liking I caught to the romantic stuff. This is important because as a teenager I was into sex only and love was for suckers, but now ironically I am more into intimacy and love.
Also, my personal opinion is that porn actresses are ugly. The most beautiful I ever saw were average at best. I don't really know why some people are so obsessed over them and claim that "porn creates unrealistic beauty standards."
Like fucken what?
A model wearing a bra that you can find on google images is millions times more attractive than... Ehh you got the point.
To cut it short: no dysfunctions, no escalating, nothing.

How wonderfully convenient.
Health professional with extensive training suck but no worries because NoFap is going to save your life.
What the f.
Now NoFap and Gary Wilson don't have to invest a cent in ads because you advertise the whole thing for free by yourselves.

No, no, and no.
If you think it's a dump then why the hell are you watching this? Besides, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Illegal? What happened to the Freedom of Information then? Has it been removed from my list of freedoms? Just because somebody didn't like it? Goddamn it.
Mentally ill drug addicts doing porn is a popular belief but as far as I know most of them have acting degrees, the sets are professional, and involve people from all walks of life.
Just like... well, any job in the world?
You do get alcohol addicts in the supermarket but does that mean you aren't going to buy from it anymore? Because they employ someone with a problem?
Goddamn it.
Also, there are amateur porn videos involving normal people not associated with porn industry whatsoever.
So in my eyes, your whole argument fell through.

I will also remember that the person who serves me at a supermarket is desperate for the job and does that only for money and their boss is an ass.
I guess I will just avoid the supermarket completely. Because you know. They are desperate to work there.
Goddamn it.

I'm sorry but even if that's the case, what does that prove?
Assuming I'm watching porn, that is.
What does that say about me?

No. It's about promoting their products and making money.
Open your eyes.
Gambling addicts don't get treated by online strangers.
Alcoholics don't get treated by online strangers either.
That's what psychiatrists are for.

Have you not noticed this emotional title at the top of the website calling for action against the enemy and its allies?
'Defend' to show themselves as victims, 'against' to point at the enemy, 'porn industry' after defend against to convey that they are the enemy, 'and its allies' to convey there is potentially an overwhelming number of enemies. Then you have the green button 'End the harassment' in order to call you for action and this word 'harassment' to evoke emotional response in the reader.

Jesus fecking Christ. This is Write to Persuade done by the book. Even without knowing any of these, doesn't it look at least a little bit exaggerated to you?

No, it is not a non-profit noble organization aiming to improve the world.
It's a business.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim.
Similar line of argument to yours.
It has it's latin name I can't be bothered to look for now. Sorry.

And no, I don't defend anything or anybody. I thought I made it clear already.

Fitness, meditation and reading is your own fan fiction.
NoFap is only about not masturbating, watching porn and sometimes about abstaining completely.
Everything else comes from you.
It is free to a certain degree. And yes, there is an illusion of choice that you can but don't have to pay a penny.
But it's designed in a way to make you feel amazing if you do choose to purchase something.
It's called manipulation.
For instance, someone invested or even addicted to forum might feel an urge to donate NoFap because it gives them a rank and a medal under their nickname (or change of colour, whatever that is) which basically is a symbol of status among everybody else.
Or TLR: a dopamine boost.
Hmmm...
Now the call for action at the top of the website is just a gentle push in that direction. That is, the direction of closing the sale.
You know, that call for action to defend this poor little thing NoFap and its founder against the porn industry and its fucking galactic alliance of enemies bent on ruining the movement and stopping people from thinking critically.
Hmmm....
Or when you have people buying a book to make themselves look more credible because "I have read it, therefore I'm smarter", nevermind books are of different qualities and book as a book ain't a source but whatever.
But it looks like it so Gary doesn't have to worry about paying his bills anymore anyway.
No pun on Gary. I'm glad that out of all people not liking porn (I think he doesn't, not like he ever told me about his own porn usage) he is doing really well for himself.
Another thing someone does in order to boost their status and dopamine is promoting NoFap and defending it because that gives them likes (and that's dopamine) and indirectly promotes the movement as a whole. In the long run, there will be thousands of people reading those superlatives about how useful NoFap is, therefore they will be more likely to give their own money for status and what not and also promote the whole thing by themselves.
The process can now continue indefinitely.
Content creation resulting in business done by the book.
Well done to whoever was behind the whole idea. It worked.

There isn't a single study linking porn with detriment to anything. Not directly anyway.
As I said, I don't doubt humans are addictive creatures. But preaching that all over again when we all agreed it does exist is nothing short of rediscovering America 500 years later.

View A is believed by number of people.
Someone with view B starts to debate with the person with view A.
They exchange arguments.
View B has some points.
View A also has some points.
Eventually, person with view A proves that it's true.
Person with view B accepts it.
View A is strengthened. More people believe in it now.

That's what discussions are for.
I'm sorry you are so sure of your view that you don't want to risk exposing it even though proving it right should strengthen it in the eyes of everyone else including those not involved in the discussion.
Let's call me a troll instead. That way you won't risk the possibility that you are wrong.

Nonsense.

You do realize male ejects no more than 5ml of semen?
And the next time it is even far less than that?
And that 5ml vs tens of kilograms of body ain't much?
What minerals would you be possibly losing anyway?
You will lose more with sweat during a day of inactivity.
Well-balanced diet will cover for these several milliliters of simple sugars and zinc. No worries.
And why have you mentioned testosterone?
Do you have any idea how it works?
It is not sitting down there waiting a couple of days before traveling up there to make you smarter/more confident/yada yada.
Nope.
Testosterone, like any other hormone for that matter, is in your blood.
Blood.
And blood is everywhere, in every micrometer of your body.
Sex/masturbation does not magically reduce your level of testosterone.
Although it is truth testes are responsible for its production, it is not truth they are storing it inside of them or somewhere in semen.
This is not how hormones work.
Besides. Even if you really can do something to increase your levels of testosterone, or any other hormone for that matter, your body will act on it and do everything it can to reduce the levels to the optimum.
Likewise, even if you somehow decrease levels of testosterone in your body, it will increase its production in order to restore the optimum levels of it.
Whichever the case, your body will do what it must to maintain the optimum level of testosterone.
It will do that with other hormones too.
And your blood sugar level.
And core body temperature.
And everything else.
You know what they call it?
They call it homeostasis.

As far as Mike Tyson. I assume he did nothing else except for abstaining from ejaculation? And this thing itself turned him into a legend?
There was no other factors?
None at all?
Okay.

And what is this Semen Retention = Above Average Life thing?
That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Unless you are going to believe in this:

Success story #1
I was a loser all my life. I was too shy to talk to anyone. I was broke. I was short. I was skinny.
And this is the result of 30 days of NoFap:

Success story #2
From a no-life with no life to CEO of a company.
I stopped fapping and coincidence had it my old school buddy called me and proposed that we start a joint company with me as the second CEO.
I haven't done anything to make this company a thing yet but you wait and see. I will update once the pigs fly.
NoFap truly works wonders.
Hang in there brothers and sisters!
Don't let one second of pleasure ruin months and years of your life!

Success story #3
PMO kills your social skills completely!
Before NoFap:
• Lack of confidence
• Extremely angry and moody
• Remaining Upset and mindless all the day
• Poor or zero eye contact
• Graying of hair fastly
• Bloodless face and eyes
• Lack of beard even in late puberty
• Extremely poor skin - Small white and red bumps all over
• Brain fog- This one is really irritating
• Little pain and tickling in pubic area after excessive PMO sometimes
• Weak or incomplete erection when aroused
• Deposition of fat around body( Due to uneven burning of fat )
• Weak bones and very often crackling sound while movement.
• Premature ageing symptoms
• Wanted to be alone due to the addiction, feels very shy and uncomfortable around people( PMO kills your social skills completely )
After completing my 6-month achievement I noticed the following:
- More confidence for sure
- Eye contact improved
- Brain fog gone (Easy to grasp and remember things fastly)
- Experiencing hard and long lasting Morning Wood (Almost everyday)
- Voice improved
- More stamina
- More energy all the day
- Didn't feel sleepy and exhausted even at night
- Feel strong and confident around people
- Skin Improvement
You have to train your mind. I will say that this is definitely not the end of the reboot process. It's a life long process. You have to control your emotions, your bad habits which are becoming a hurdle for your future. Our motto should be PMO free life. Thanks to Nofap community.

No pun intended, but these stories are hard to believe.
Some more than others.

I don't doubt there were a couple of true and genuine stories out there.
But it's more of a belief thing rather than true science.
With which I have no problem.
What I do have a problem with is branding it as real science when in reality it is not even a shadow of it.
Common biology information is enough to ruin many claims that can be found in here.
Testosterone thing is one of them.

I have little doubt people attending acupuncture sessions didn't notice any improvement.
Indeed, they have.
But correlation does not equal causation.
And hundred of legitimate science trials proved it.
They proved acupuncture is nothing short of placebo.
It was not needles that improved mood and reduced pain.
It was human contact.
And therefore endorphins.
And feeling that someone has got your back.
And therefore more endorphins.

As a matter of actual fact, not a single person in the history of humanity got cured with acupuncture.
Mood boost is not an above-average life.
Pardon me.
But that's just that.
It's a mood boost.
Temporary feeling.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, what does acupuncture have to do with the price of tea in China?
It assumes, against everything we know about biology, physiology, diseases etc, that needles can cure you.
NoFap, against everything we know, assumes the same.
Some claims make sense.
Some claims are bolder than others.
Some are just plain ridiculous.
But what they all do have in common is lack of definitive proof.

Without proof, we can only speculate.
However, we do have common sense + knowledge of various subjects.
This is how I destroyed the testosterone myth.
And this is how any other similar myth can be destroyed.
Don't believe me?
Throw them at me and I'll show you.
Click to expand...

One question, why are you here? You tell people to "convince" you otherwise then claim you have an open mind to evidence, yet you shoot down every bloody thing that's said.

Nobody needs to convince you of anything, if you're blind enough to not realise how damaging porn is that's on you. There are plenty of studies including MRI's that show how bad it is for you (including neuroplasticity changes due to rewiring), but since the majority of people do it that must be okay right? You say you're not daft and don't believe everything you see/read, yet you're unwilling to consider the negative effects it has on people? Okay...

No matter what you think, porn addiction is huge problem and I'm pretty sure this forum is proof of that. NoFap works differently with each person (especially in their approach to what they want out of it) but the underlying goal is always the same, staying away from porn.

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Sarah Walker said: ↑

No matter what you think, porn addiction is huge problem and I'm pretty sure this forum is proof of that.
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This forum is a biased population and you know it.

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But one should try Nofap for 90 days (which I haven’t achieved due to how difficult it is till this day) and compare themselves before and after abstaining from PMO.
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Why 90?
Why not, say, 89? Or 91?
You are so bent on that 90 as if the God himself told you that this is the number of days after which you will "be cured".
It's almost like a meme number.

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Depressed&Out said: ↑

Does anyone here still not use pictures to let off some steam occasionally?
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Nopes. That road never led to recovery.

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JoshuaGraham said: ↑

This forum is a biased population and you know it.
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Pot calling kettle black!
Big Fat Thumbs Up!

Deleted Account · Jul 18, 2020

JoshuaGraham said: ↑

This forum is a biased population and you know it.
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"Bias" has nothing to do with it, we're here because we're addicted to porn no? I'll ask again, why exactly are you here? You come on to a recovery forum to whinge about how everyone and their views here are supposedly wrong, yet that's like going over to an AA meeting and doing the exact same thing... there's a reason why we're here in the first place.

Deleted Account · Jul 18, 2020

Sarah Walker said: ↑

"Bias" has nothing to do with it, we're here because we're addicted to porn no? I'll ask again, why exactly are you here? You come on to a recovery forum to whinge about how everyone and their views here are supposedly wrong, yet that's like going over to an AA meeting and doing the exact same thing... there's a reason why we're here in the first place.

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Yeah, it reminds me of that joke...

A guy is driving and his wife calls him... She says "Hun, some wacko is driving on the wrong side of the road, you better take care." And the hubby replies... "JUST ONE! Damn no! The whole world is driving on the wrong side today."

Comedy that writes itself.

AtomicTango · Jul 18, 2020

Cant believe this thread is still going!

At this point, I'm finding it really hard to tell if OP is trolling or not. If he is, then its some of the most high effort trolling I have ever seen in my entire life, to such a point I have to question whose time he is actually wasting, his, or ours. If he isnt, then I dont know what to say that hasnt already been said. OP seems to disagree with everything anyone says to him, and obviously wont change his mind after all this time, so why bother?

Ferns · Jul 18, 2020

JoshuaGraham said: ↑

Why 90?
Why not, say, 89? Or 91?
You are so bent on that 90 as if the God himself told you that this is the number of days after which you will "be cured".
It's almost like a meme number.
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Lmao I’m not implying that 90 days is the exact number of days that a person will be healed abstaining from PMO like it’s the golden rule. What I mean is 90 days is the most common mark to see if there’s any results.

By the way, what’s your point in posting this thread on this forum? Kinda feels like you just want to trigger the people here stating that what they’re doing is pointless and they’re an idiot doing it. Maybe you just want some attention? (Which you got lol)

Ferns · Jul 18, 2020

AtomicTango said: ↑

Cant believe this thread is still going!

At this point, I'm finding it really hard to tell if OP is trolling or not. If he is, then its some of the most high effort trolling I have ever seen in my entire life, to such a point I have to question whose time he is actually wasting, his, or ours. If he isnt, then I dont know what to say that hasnt already been said. OP seems to disagree with everything anyone says to him, and obviously wont change his mind after all this time, so why bother?
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OP just want sum attention cuz no one gives it smh.

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