What is the difference between masturbation and real sex with your wife

Starrider is being very silly. Of course you can be addicted to porn AND masturbation at the same time. And someone who masturbates without p is still going to be fantasizing most likely...that's the issue, not the m.

Addiction is caused when the brains dopamine system is hyper sensitized. It now "wants" something all the time, and will trigger urges at the slightest hint of what its addicted to. So when we mix fake sex (fantasy or p), with a high dopamine activity like o'ing, we develop an addiction to that. If you m-ed each time you got a facebook notification, you'd develop the same problem. So it's not the m. It's the extremely high dopamine surges that we attach them to.

Btw, I have never ever ever felt sad or tired after masturbation, or o-ing, nless it was to porn. Ever.

 

Buddy, @FellatiousD joined nearly a year ago and @UnitedWeStand joined last month. They ain't new, and I didn't create my account to bash you. You're just talking nonsense.

 

@StarRider Noone tries to bash you here. Say what you got to say but we dont have to listen to it. I really wish you all the best and hope you recover fast from any side effect that pmo gave you. We are here to support each other! Feel free to reach for help if you need to

 

Imagine an alcoholic arguing that there’s nothing inherently wrong with drinking alcohol hahahah. Imagine opening your AA introduction with that. “Hi I’m Tony, and I don’t think alcohol is inherently bad.”

 

I've never needed fantasy to "O," and I've never once masturbated to porn. But I feel tired after sex. That's why I sometimes call it my "sleep medicine." It's a good way, most of the time, to get some rest. I believe this is the normal, natural, physiological response in men. One problem with M is that it's so easy to overdose on it. One needs no willing partner, and is not, therefore, constricted to certain times or frequencies. An O in the middle of the day will still have the same, or similar, effect to that at bedtime--but it's not the ideal time or place to go to sleep when one is at work in the middle of the day!

The practice of secret habits surely destroys the vital forces of the system. All unnecessary vital action will be followed by corresponding depression. Among the young, the vital capital, the brain, is so severely taxed at an early age, that there is a deficiency, and great exhaustion, which leaves the system exposed to disease of various kinds.

 

That's a false analogy. People who have rebooted know that posts like these are misleading and not helpful.
Not m-ing is part of a reboot. That's all you have to know.

 

This is easily falsified. How does a whale or porpoise masturbate? They don't have any physical way of doing it, even if they wanted to. Furthermore, supposing every mammal did actually masturbate, with what comparison group of non-masturbating mammals would you be able to establish the lack of harm done by masturbating? There would simply be no way to prove that it did not cause harm since all of them could be harming themselves to an equal extent.

Twice a day? I think that is going to drain your nervous energy to levels where you may find it difficult to focus, to concentrate on a task, or to remember things well. It will also cause you some depression or mental fatigue--perhaps not immediately, but you'll feel it in a few years' time when it's too late to reverse the damage.

 

It’s not a false analogy when you understand basic physiology. People who have rebooted? You mean people who abstained from masturbating for a brief period of time and then went back to doing it again?

Whats misleading is selling a bunch of fools a lie that if you stop masturbating for 90 days that you’ll magically relinquish your lifelong addiction to it.

 

im against fanaticism with anything. People should be more open-minded.

 

I dont try to change your minds, at the end of the day im moving forward and i hope you do too. There is no point trying changing opinions, people do that because they feel insecure with their own ideas so they try to spread the idea to be acceptable to many cause ego cant handle it as the way it is. I wish you meet your own goals with every decision you make it. I wont continue this conversation as it seems pointless . Good luck @StarRider @False promise @Do all to the glory of God @khabastos s @hydrok9 succeeding and living a fullfilling life! Peace

 

In order to do that you will probably have to get rid of video cameras, paper, writing utensils, and art in general

Also @UnitedWeStand as an example you give that 2 times a day is healthy. But I think we should clarify that 2 times a day might be ok for some people, but it is certainly problematic for others.

 

@FellatiousD Of course we are different. If i masturbate twice i end up drain, but i know people who are fine after m twice. We are all different i guess

 

You can't put chains on people's imagination

 

Yeah but it's why porn exists. Some people like sex and aren't always able to have it or witness it in person, so they draw it or record it

You don't have to be so zealous about this

 

@FellatiousD no need to be offensive to someone who dont agree with. @StarRider has his opinion and we should respect it.

 

Porn exists because of masturbation. Art exists because of imagination. Your opinion has already been defeated in other threads. You can say that you still personally like porn and masturbation but you can't defend or promote them any more. Your arguments are redundant anyway because the mainstream opinion is that porn and masturbation are healthy, so we have already heard everything you have to say for our entire lives and we're sick of it, while you don't have that problem since everywhere you go you find other people like you. It's your side that is zealous, since it's everywhere, otherwise there would be an equality of opinion and we would have a balance of arguments from both sides everywhere not just this niche website which still isn't on our side.

As I said in the other thread no healthy straight man wants to masturbate to porn, they do it as a substitute for having sex with beautiful women, but now you write "Some people like sex and aren't always able to have it or witness it in person" that's called a substitution and it's sub optimal, that is, it's inferior to some other option which could be sex or any number of other things. Again "some people like sex and aren't always able to have it", no man is able to regularly have sex with 11 women who look like models and actresses, let alone twice a day, if something isn't possible in real life then the simulation of it is an anomaly, the body isn't made to handle it.

That you wrote this shows that you don't know what you are talking about, it also shows you to be a post modernist whether you realize it or not. I actually don't even know where to begin because it is so wrong. Video cameras don't lead to porn or cause porn. Pretty much no straight man masturbates to erotic literature, that's what females do with fanfiction, they are so-called autochlorissexual or aegosexual - I call it scared to have sex, and shame and fear of the body, racism too - a condition which exists because female sexuality is cultural and easily manipulated. And "art in general" is not porn, although there are genres of low grade art which are mostly pornographic - art and porn being separate things - few men masturbate to actual art: the Sistine Chapel, Schubert's Unfinished Symphony, illustrations by Howard Pyle, poems of Emily Bronte etc.

 

In my thinking sex with wife is about giving and receiving. It is love. It is the most intimate moment in two people's live. sex is also a human purpose of having an offspring.

Masturbation is about pleasuring yourself and yourself only. Your brain thinks you are having sex with potential woman but in reality you are mating with your pixels on screen. that's why you feel bad and incomplete as soon as you done fapping.