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The Lord of the Rings Challenge

Discussion in 'Events & Challenges' started by RiseToGreatness, Sep 22, 2019.

Should the Thread Title be extended?

Poll closed Jun 21, 2020.
  1. No, leave like that: "The Lord of the Rings Challenge"

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  2. Yes. "The Lord of the Rings Challenge: The Fellowship of Nofap"

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Yes. "The Lord of the Rings Challenge: Rising Fellowship of Eärendil"

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    0.0%
  4. Yes. "The Lord of the Rings Challenge: The Journey to Mount Doom"

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  5. Yes. "The Lord of the Rings Challenge: The Quest of the Ring-bearer"

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. RiseToGreatness

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  2. RiseToGreatness

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    well, the original issues remains. your HOCD is under control? are you sure? that was fast...
    plus, have you consider the possibility of being an actual pmo addict?

    ponder on these questions bro. they make all the difference.
     
  3. the_wizard

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  4. RiseToGreatness

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    thank you brother. yes, counting the days has that problem, "of getting somewhere that´s not here yet". so we indirectly keep obsessing with clean days, relapses and pmo. i totally understand where you coming from, because easy_peasy had that impact on me also.

    however i see this challenge helps build the foundations to a free pmo lifestyle, and many brothers get boosted by counting the days. plus, brothers get a lot of inspiration by reading and sharing experiences here, even you did that :)

    so, i personally don´t recommend people to count the days, i don´t like to count, however they should if they feel it helps them. everyone is different.

    there´s also another important thing at hand: that easy_peasy might be wrong. what i see so far is that the method works well... so far. but there´s no garantiees that the method is bullet proof. easy_peasy claims that the strong connection to pmo is broken in a matter of 3 weeks, while many literature on the subject from people who are sober for decades (JK Emezi, Soaring Eagle, etc...) claims it takes 18 to 24 months for an addicted brain to fully rewire. so during that time, the danger is still very real.

    what easy_peasy is amazing is on removing the brainwashing (the fear and the false sense of sacrifice) of living without pmo. that´s why i love the book and i recommend everyone to read it. but, it underestimates the power of the addiction after the first 3 weeks, barely stating "don´t watch porn again". it does not consider all the life events, traumas, lack of coping skills, bad habits, and all the stuff that keeps people close to addictions. and that is the real problem for many users.

    so the mental determination that we gain with easy_peasy is very good, and it feels a true joy and relief, but i think we should be cautious before leaving all the other strategies, and especially before leaving the community of ex-pmoers :)
     
  5. ULYSS3S

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    Checking in on day 19!
     
  6. ULYSS3S

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    Great post brother!

    Personally, I recognized that counting the days helps me a lot. Especially if the streak is relatively long, I am not willing to sacrifice such a long streak for some moments of pleasure. But it is true, that it is counterproductive to only focus on staying away from pmo instead of focussing on improving other aspects of your life. Nevertheless, it it a great pleasure to log into this challenge and see another day on your counter after a productive day.
     
  7. RiseToGreatness

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    Check in Fellowship :). had a difficult afternoon has i caught myself trying to fish, but i snap out of it. did some brief meditations that helped me to become grounded again.

    The following brothers have upgraded and reach places in Middle Earth. Congratulations!!! :)

    @ULYSS3S @aeburbt - Buckleberry Ferry / Shire
    @OttarrTheVendelCrow - Lothlórien / Wilderland

    Checking out brave Fellowship. Have a great weekend!!!! :)

    easy_peasy.

    "Chapter 7

    What am I giving up?

    Absolutely nothing! Porn is difficult to give up because of the fear we’re being deprived of our pleasure or
    prop. The fear that certain pleasant situations will never be quite the same again. Fear you’ll be left unable to
    cope with stressful situations. In other words, it’s the effects of brainwashing deluding us into believing that
    sex – and by extension orgasm – is a must for all human beings. Even further, it’s the belief there’s something
    inherent in internet porn that we need, and that when we stop using we will be denying ourselves and creating
    a void.

    Make this clear in your mind: Porn doesn’t fill a void, it creates one!

    Our bodies are the most sophisticated objects on the planet. Whether you believe in intelligent design, natural
    selection, or a combination of both, our bodies are thousands of times more effective than man! We’re unable to
    create the smallest living cell or the miracles of eyesight, reproduction and various interlinked systems present
    in our bodies or brains. If this creator or process had intended us to handle supernormal stimulus, we’d have
    been provided with different reward systems. Our bodies are provided with fail-safe warning devices and we
    ignore these at our peril.

    7.1 There’s nothing to give up

    Once you purge the little monster from your body and the brainwashing (the big monster) from your mind,
    you’ll neither want to masturbate often nor use internet porn for it. There are many knowns and unknowns
    when it comes to porn addiction, with many in the medical community having no concept of questioning or
    determining someone as a porn addict. A lot of reported symptoms are wrongly tagged under other causes. It’s
    not that users are generally stupid people, it’s just that they’re miserable without porn. Caught between the
    devil and the deep blue sea, abstaining and being miserable because they cannot use porn or miserable because
    they’re guilty and begin despising themselves because of it. When they get symptoms such as lower back pain
    or sexual dysfunction, their minds are torn between accepting responsibility and looking the other way.
    Another smoker analogy, all of us have seen smokers who develop excuses to sneak off for a crafty puff and
    we see the true addiction in action. Addicts don’t do this for enjoyment, instead they do it because they’re
    miserable without it.

    For many their first sexual experience ended in an orgasm, so they acquired the belief they can’t enjoy sex
    without one. For men, porn is marketed as an aid towards sex, sometimes even as an education in confidence
    during the act. This is nonsense, the conditioning of supernormal stimulus only succeeds in bringing it down.
    Not only is there nothing to give up but massive positive gains to be had. When users contemplate quitting,
    they tend to concentrate on health and virility. These are valid and important reasons, but I personally believe
    the greatest gains are psychological:

    • The return of your confidence and courage.
    • Freedom from slavery.
    • No longer having awful black shadows at the back of your mind and despising yourself.

    7.2 Void, the void, the beautiful void!

    Imagine having a cold sore on your face, so you go to the pharmacist and he gives you a free ointment to try.
    You put the ointment on and it disappears immediately. A week later it reappears, so you go back to the
    pharmacist and ask if they have any more ointment. The pharmacist says “Sure; keep the tube, you might need
    it later.”

    You apply the ointment and hey presto, the sore disappears once again. But every time the sore returns, it gets
    larger and more painful, with the interval getting shorter and shorter. Eventually, the sore covers your whole
    face and is excruciatingly painful, and it’s returning every half hour. You know the ointment will remove it
    temporarily, but you’re very worried. Will the sore eventually spread over your whole body? Will the interval
    disappear completely? You go to your doctor and they can’t cure it, so you try other things but nothing helps
    apart from the ointment.

    By now you’re completely dependent on the ointment, never going out without ensuring that you have a tube
    with you. If you go abroad, you make sure you take several tubes with you. In addition to your worries about
    your health, the pharmacist is charging you a hundred dollars a tube. You have no choice but to pay up.
    You stumble across an article discussing this and find out it isn’t just happening to you, many people are
    suffering from the same problem. In fact, the medical community has discovered that the ointment doesn’t
    actually cure the sore, and instead only takes it beneath the surface of the skin. It’s the ointment that caused
    the sore to grow, so all you have to do to get rid of the sore is to stop using the ointment and it’ll disappear in
    due course.

    Would you continue to use the ointment? Would it take willpower to not use the ointment? If you didn’t
    believe the article there might be a few days of apprehension, but once you realised the sore was beginning to
    get better, the need or desire to use the ointment would go. Would you be miserable? Of course you wouldn’t!
    You had an awful problem which you thought was incurable but now you’ve found the solution. Even if it took
    a year for the sore to go away, each day as it improved you’d think about how marvellous you felt. This is the
    magic of quitting porn.

    The sore isn’t the body pains, lack of normal lust, flagging arousal, fading penetration, the wasted time spent
    on two-dimensional images, feelings of infringement on entitlement, and despising the people who caught you
    or even worse, despising yourself. These are all in addition to the sore.

    The sore makes us close our minds to all these things, it’s that panic feeling of wanting a fix. Non-users don’t
    suffer from that feeling. The worst thing we ever suffer is fear, the greatest gain being rid of that fear. It’s
    caused by your first session, further strengthened and caused by each subsequent one.
    Some users are ’happy’, blinded by their cunning little monsters and so go through this same nightmare, putting
    up phony arguments to try and justify their stupidity.

    It’s so nice to be free!"
     
  8. Slider8

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    Well said brother ! Very wise reply!..Just on the top of that - I recon it might be a much longer process than 18-24 months it's more like 7-10 years while urges disappear for good and better still is to treat it like a lifetime fight...and again-It's good to count the days to inspire those who follow our footsteps and give them some sort of time map on their route of recovery from this harmful addiction.
     
  9. Checking in for day 14.
    I am on the road to destroy this Ring and not stopping along the way.
     
  10. Slider8

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    This sentence is just wrong and it undermines the value of the book as the whole- the true effect have to be you hate masturbation as a hideous sin and porn is just another kind of the same sin called -Lust-one is physical and another is mental both are ruining your health, and here I mean spiritual,mental,emotional and physical. There has to be no room in the good book for such harmful sentences as this one.
    It alone just made the effect of the spoon of poison in a bucket of honey for this book.
     
  11. Cartographer

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    Day 23,

    A nice 10 mile run this morning. Easy tempo to the afternoon with homework, piano, and watching Master and Commander.

    Keep free from PMO this weekend Fellowship!
     
  12. Day 285. I would @ GreenTinted60sMind, but he's leaving so consider this an open letter of sorts to those who think one method alone will cure them.

    It is safe to assume that many others like myself who have "made it this far" so to speak, are not and never have been solely relying on willpower and it is an affront to those of us here who check in everyday to claim that we are.

    I rely on God and this anonymous brotherhood to help get me through. It's a testament to the power of the latter that when I had my dream about relapsing my final thought in the dream was that I had failed the people here.

    Even though I count the days I do not do this out of pride but out of humility. Not out of a grinding, sisyphean struggle, but out of a common bond among fellow humans who are total strangers. I do not seem myself as an addict but as a former addict, and everyone here should view themselves as such whether they are on day 0 or clean for years.

    So good luck to those signing off, but it is not us who are solely relying on sheer will, but you.
     
  13. 12ove

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  14. Checking in on Day 63. As someone who has read that method and goes on NoFap, I would prefer the check-ins on NoFap because most people aren't going to switch their mentality and attitude to their PMO addictions easily. The method assumes that you can change your negative mentality into a positive one ASAP. With NoFap, you stay accountable through journaling and talking with others about their experience.

    It is true that how we think and act in the face of quitting PMO is vital to succeed, but one does not simply read a book and then change their life around. Most people are not like that. If anything, it's the willingness to learn (hence reading the book in the first place) that does the trick -- and again, there have been many people who've delayed reading it. They don't read the NoFap version, because they don't want to read the book, they find PMO to be better than that. It's like staying in a comfort zone all the time; it's limiting.

    The issue with people simply looking at a single method as a permanent solution is this: at that point in time, they're in a good state. They assume that the positive mentality will always be there; but, it won't. We've all been there in our own no-PMO journies where the urges were insane, where some people relapse, and others use the will they have to recognise the fact that it's their responsibility to look forward rather than backwards.
     
  15. Prophet Moonstruck

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    Day 89!!!! One more day before the big nine O! Actually...by the time I wake up..it might already be the big 90!
    Been pretty low on productivity...much lower than I intended to be today...but at least I bought batteries for my keyboard...which is good added with the rest of the things!
    I have to see some things tomorrow morning...and then I let you know how I feel about the great 90
     
  16. Cartographer

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    Day 23,

    Did fish for a bit tonight. Screwing my head back on. It is weird tho, not as eyes glazed over as I am used to, more or less just a fumble in my opinion. Going to keep vigilant these next few days
     
  17. _Star_Platinum

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    Checking in at day 0. No more resetting. I’m no longer losing my soul to this addiction
     
  18. MyGodandMyAll27

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  19. Day 11 complete!

    A pretty good day. I had a lot of, not temptations exactly, but more like temptations to be tempted. I recognized a lot of situations that could put me on a downward spiral if I acknowledged and indulged them, but I was able to gently turn my mind away and lift up a prayer to God in those moments. Women are beautiful for more than just their bodies, but even the beauty of their bodies means we ought to respect and honor them rather than seek to objectify and degrade them for fleeting, selfish "gain."
     

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