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Small Pen*s Club - (males, females and non-binary welcome)

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by +TenPercent, Feb 3, 2021.

  1. Yep.
     
  2. Who knows ? Maybe its because of pornography.
    I too believed that dick size is the only superior thing for a man when i was on 80 days streak. And it boosted my confidence up like on the peak coz mine is 7. But, as soon as i relpased to porn, my confidence went down and got social anxiety.
    To be honest, in my opinion, dick size is a part but not the only thing. Having a good body, mantaining it, building up personality, helping the needy makes you a man. And it makes a man superior too.
    Because we have consumed a lot of porn in our childhood, we always feel that dick size is the only thing but its certainly not, its a part of it.
     
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  3. I definitely was mocked, for having a small penis. Some women LOL'd or teased me about it. A few said it wasn't that small. This was oddly validating in a way as it confirmed what I already suspected. In a class one time, one woman clarified the whole "size doesn't matter" thing by saying "Size doesn't matter. As long as it's at least average" to which all the other women nodded in agreement. It clearly does matter to some women, but whether it matters or not, it helps to face the fact that it really is smaller than average.

    Also, I might add, there are some very really downsides such as not being able to perform in certain positions, slipping out and having condoms slip off. :oops:

    I posted more "dick pics" than full frontal nudes. But, one of the things that did make me feel better was that I don't recall any negative comments about the rest of my body and some comments were very positive :)
     
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  4. AtomicTango

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    I know you posted this a month ago but I just wanted to say that I would not overthink getting different measurements. Erections are almost never equal and there are a million different factors that can influence the strength of them, sometimes to insane degrees. I'm usually completely average, like slap bang in the middle average, and dont usually measure myself, but on several occasions when I have I've gone up or down as much as a whole inch, sometimes even more.

    I appreciate that having a smaller than average penis can be a knock to the confidence, but any woman who will reject you or make fun of you purely for that isnt worth your time. I also wanted to say that penis size is not the be all and end all for a mans sexual performance or ability in general. A good idea to help yourself (and her) is to focus heavily on foreplay before penetrative sex even begins. I seriously doubt a sexual partner will give a damn about your penis if you can make her orgasm before you even use it.
     
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  5. she-dernatinus

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    The penis is only a part of a whole. It's a shame men put so much emphasis on one single body part. The whole man's body can erotized, it's kind of ridiculous to focus on the tip of the iceberg.
     
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  6. In my case, it's a really small part, haha!

    It can be a good indicator of testosterone levels - which in turn has a profound effect on a man's body as well as temperament. Just as skin tone and teeth can be an indicator of health. From an evolutionary perspective, women would, at least occasionally, have sexual liaisons with multiple men or men other than their primary partners and the men with larger phalluses are much more likely to be successful in breeding. Whether it is outdated reptile brain thinking, or a reflection of modern culture, it does have some bearing on status and reproductive success.

    But, I agree, it's often blown out of proportion. I appreciate the thought that the whole body can be eroticised as well as feeling some concern that men objectify their bodies too much, perhaps now more than ever before.
     
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  7. she-dernatinus

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    If men with larger phalluses had the upper hand, you wouldn't find men with smaller phalluses nowdays at all. I don't think it's really related to testosternone levels, it's just a genetic trait imo. The same way as female breasts, while most women have a peak in their female hormones during puberty. I am not so sure of that personally, but I don't think it's that likely that hormones are the real influence on sexual parts' size.

    There are so many men with different phallus size, I hardly believe any of them to be deficient in testosterone. It's the same as assuming that asian males don't have facial hair due to this same reason, or native american men for that matter.

    It's true on one hand that men objectify themselves more in this current era, but it's still far from reaching the level of female objectification. I just try to avoid any form of objectification at all costs, even I feel attracted physically to someone.
     
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  8. SirGalahad

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    I've never measured my penis, but it seems a normal size. It could be small, I don't really know. I'm a virgin, so I've never had a woman comment on it.
     
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  9. I appreciate every part of your response @she-dernatinus
    As it happens, humans have very large penises relative to body size when compared to other mammals. So, large penises have been selected for. I don't think this is because women choose men with larger packages as much as the reproductive advantages of having a larger penis (and more testosterone).

    In this world, we are all on a spectrum, but some of us have more testosterone, some less. Some are more aggressive, some not as much, etc.
    I've read studies that men with more testosterone during puberty develop more muscle mass and bigger penises. They are more likely to be competitive and aggressive. They may be more hairy than their peers. They are also likely to go bald sooner and have heart problems later in life. Biology, evolution and genes don't really care much about that. Most of evolution is based on reproduction.
    These more alpha-type males are not likely to have long term relationships. They're more inclined towards being sexual with as many women as possible. And . . . on the whole, they are more successful. The larger penis allows them to deposit deeper inside a woman's vagina and it is more effective at removing another man's sperm (the penis head is shaped like a mushroom for a reason . . . it acts like a plunger).

    Women, for their part (especially historically, before so much cultural pressure to be chaste) often do have periods of promiscuity or, on occasion, have a sexual affair outside of their primary relationship. When are women most likely to have affairs? When they are ovulating. A woman who has one one night stand with a studly guy might genuinely believe that there's "no way" her child could have come from that affair when she only had sex with him once, but many times with her husband, yet such affairs are far more likely to result in conception due to the timing and and heightened arousal.

    Now, of course, not all men are like this. Many of such men have short lives as they get into violent conflicts with other alpha type males. What do all the other guys do? The take a different strategy. The focus on being good partners and providers and jealously guard their women from other suitors. Studies have found that women find "nice guys" more attractive most of the time (these women are seeking a long term relationship, a partner) yet they find the "bad boys" more attractive when they are ovulating.

    The end results are driven by genetics. A woman will have the most success if she can have a supportive long term partner and have children sired by other men. This yields greater genetic diversity. Ideally she would have perhaps one child with her long term partner and at least one child with another man. That is the ideal situation . . . if she can get away with it. If she gets caught, she might not have any success. A man who can compete will try to bed as many women as possible. A man who can not, will try to hold onto one woman. Most people are genetically wired to pursue both conflicting paths and ultimately pursue an intermediate strategy.

    Sorry, I went way off track there. I do believe that a larger penis really is sexually superior, but at the end of the day, what matters most is if we chose the best strategy for passing on our genes.

    On a totally different note, about objectification - I envy women's breasts. Women can, to some degree, flaunt or hide their breasts. They can make manipulate how their breasts appear to other. But, for the most part . . . it's hard to hide it if you have big ones or small ones. Maybe, if a woman has small breasts, she will encounter some men who won't take her seriously, she'll encounter others who might be infatuated with her small breasts and, hopefully, she will encounter a large majority that don't take too much notice and treat her with respect without objectifying her. The same could be said for a woman with large breasts.

    I think if men had their penises "out on parade" (and we may be headed in that direction :rolleyes:), then maybe they would get over the size issue in their teens and early twenties instead of being tormented about it for decades, terrified that people will find out and worrying about what people would think if they knew that they had a small one.

    As sexual beings, it can be really hard not to objectify people, especially ones that we are attracted to . . . but I too try not to. If I am attracted to someone, I need to see past their sexual attributes to see if we have real connection. Hopefully more of us will do the same. Lust can drive the first few months of a relationship, but there is probably nothing worse than having the lust fade and realising that you're not compatible with someone with whom you've been sexual for all this time.
     
  10. AtomicTango

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    Some very interesting stuff here but I also feel like you might be oversimplifying some things too.

    This is true, I suppose you should be glad you arent a gorilla.

    This is the part I think you are over simplifying a little. Testosterone does play a part in male sexual dimorphism, I mean of course it does, but there are many, many other factors at play too. I'll use myself as a case study.

    I'm very hairy, I am tall (6 foot 2), am broad shouldered and have a tendency to be aggressive (or at least feel aggressive, I am smart enough to not ACT that way a lot of the time.) These are all masculine traits.

    But I also have a very little muscle mass, a pretty low sex drive, and have no relationship experience at age 24. As I said before, my penis size is completely average, not big, not small. All these traits are typically not masculine.

    My point is, do I have low testosterone or not? I actually dont, according to tests I had done a while back. So what's the deal then? You have to conclude based on the evidence that testosterone is not the be all and end all of facilitating masculine traits and getting laid.

    You are technically correct. But, at the same time, just because something makes sense in nature or happened in the past doesnt mean it makes sense now. Cannibalism, necrophilia, paedophilia and rape are all "natural" in the animal kingdom and are viewed as obscene by humans. I'm not saying you are equating these things, and I'm not trying to criticise you because I get what you are saying, but I still feel like I had to say this.

    I do feel like there is a difference between acknowledging and appreciating sexual aspects of a woman (or a man if you are female) and treating them only as an object.

    Your point about breasts I think inadvertently makes this point; that anyone who truly cares about you wont give a shit if you have a small penis. Cards on the table, I prefer bigger breasts, but if I met someone who I liked who was completely flat chested, it would have no impact on me liking them or being attracted to them. The same applies to you, any woman worth your respect to begin with wont care you have a small penis. A lot of people are so shallow and airheaded that this kind of stuff does bother them, but those people can fuck off frankly, why would you WANT to appease people like that, male or female?
     
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  11. she-dernatinus

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    The human penis is biologically selected to suit it's female counterpart: the human vagina and clitoris. It's true that humans have a large genitalia compared to other mammals, it's due to this very fact. It has undergone a selection to stimulate female genitalia enough and provide pleasure.
    I think this is pure speculation. When I am ovulating, I am looking for men who seem physically attractive. And most of time I deeply find alpha types repulsive. In fact I prefer asian male idols more. Regardless of the period of the month.
    Sometimes studies can be misleading, or lacking deep analysis.
     
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  12. Yes!! We're all different and, thank God, we don't all want the same thing. Supposedly most men prefer large breasts, I prefer small and most men prefer virgins but I prefer an experienced woman. My first girlfriend was asian and I've been attracted to asian women ever since. Later I dated a red-head. Before that I didn't find them terribly attractive, now I do.
    I think that what I described are driving forces, but there are many other driving forces as well (i.e. personal experiences and upbringing). It's the classic "nature vs. nurture" conundrum and the answer is "all of the above". Many factors influence our preferences.

    True. And many quote a statement that the average female vagina is only 3 inches deep. That is a misnomer, as this is in the unaroused state. When aroused, the average female vagina is about 6 inches deep. (so, there really is a limit as to how many inches can get in there). It takes a penis that is slightly larger than average (i.e. 6 inches) to make contact with the cervix during intercourse. Some women find this uncomfortable, but most find it arousing and some can even orgasm from this sensation. This would further drive a selection for longer penises.

    On the flip side, for the majority of us who are average or below . . . we will never hit that spot (the "A" spot) no matter what position we try. In that case, girth (and foreplay!) is more important as there are few nerve endings between the opening and the cervix.
     
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  13. I wanted to say more on this. Being on the short side of average, that puts my penis on the wrong side of the evolutionary trend. I believe that it's important to face the facts, as uncomfortable as they may be to some. Some women may reject me outright as a sexual partner (I have had a few women tell me that my penis is too small, as well as a few women who lost interest soon after seeing what I had on offer). If my partner has sex with another man, it is more likely that she would conceive from the infidelity than if my penis was average sized or larger. Having a short penis is a sexually inferior trait. I have yet to sire children and having a small penis is probably at least part of why my relationships have not lasted and some of my partners ended up having sex with other men.

    It helps to acknowledge that, to "call a spade a spade". I have many superior traits as well. For example, I'm not as strong in athletics, but I am stronger than most in academics. I have a great life and much to be grateful for. But I have a small penis as well. I can't really talk about that in the break room at work, but I want to talk about it so that I might come to peace with it and maybe help other addicts with little dicks as well and get insightful feedback from amazing women like you! :)

    My hope in writing this thread is that a club of guys with small dicks might be able to help each other process the challenges of having a small penis as well as pointing out the benefits, for example: getting erections in public isn't as embarrassing, or as uncomfortable! :D
     
  14. she-dernatinus

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    You don't need to have a long phallus to pleasure a woman. You do know how female arousal works, right ? If a woman's vagina and clitoris are fully engorged with blood, she will crave penetration. And all it requires to give her pleasure is having a good or average girth. That's all what is necessary in the end.
    I only said what I really thought about the matter, but still thanks.
     
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  15. AtomicTango

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    I think a lot of people (male and female) dont really understand how female bodies and arousal work in general. If we look beyond simple aesthetic appeal, a longer penis only really aids in giving a woman a cervical orgasm. This is a kind of orgasm that even average sized men have trouble giving a woman. As you say, girth matters more, and even then a man can make up for a lack of it by using different motions during penetration.

    Said it before, will say it again. A woman who treats you that way is the wrong one anyway.
     
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  16. AtomicTango

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    I agree. I think a lot of focus is put on how PMO messes with men that its easy to forget how it does similar things to women. Porn can not only physically desensitise but also mentally alter the perception of how sex is supposed to be, how arousal works, and other such matters.

    It is interesting reading this from the perspective of a woman. When I abstain for a long time I become much more enticed by intimacy and physical connection as opposed to just sex. I am also a lot less interested in how physically attractive a woman is and find myself becoming attracted to women who I might not otherwise have paid any attention to or even noticed.
     
  17. Well said, and I'm grateful that you captured that post (which I think was deleted). Physical desensitisation is one thing, but it really is more mental that it might appear. Only through long periods of really clean abstinence (no masturbation, no porn, no edging and trying to avoid fantasy) have I reached that point where I can see a really sexy woman and think "huh, now there is a beautiful woman" and leave it at that (i.e. I don't get "hooked" by the sexual stimuli).

    Interesting how this thread has taken on a life of it's own and progressed in such an insightful manner since my original post of creating an accountability and support thread for the little guys. :)
     
  18. AtomicTango

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    I'm not sure why it was deleted, hopefully the poster will return and explain.

    Anyway, one of the biggest things with porn for me is that it reduces the human sexual experience to the equivalent of a drug hit. Seeing a woman and desiring her, even sexually, is supposed to be a healthy, natural, even beautiful thing. But when your brain is messed up by porn, you only see the other person as a way to fuel another hit. Its a bastardisation of human sexuality that leaves the people who fall victim to it stunted. I mean you only have to look at the countless threads every week where you see young men with no understanding of how actual sex is supposed to work because their only exposure to it is through porn.
     
  19. she-dernatinus

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    Well, my perspective as a woman containts aspects everyone can relate to, regardless of gender. I agree on the point of seeking physical and psychological intimacy, it's something natural. What isn't natural, is reducing a whole human to some outlet to get your fix. This is why I cannot stand the sex industry as a whole.
     
  20. AtomicTango

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    Definitely. What I meant with it being your womanly perspective however was when you said you felt a strong craving for penetration. I dont think men experience that lol. As a man, I obviously do still pay attention to a woman's physical attributes but what I actually pay attention to differs when I am on a long streak. When I'm not on a long streak the attraction doesnt feel like its real, if that makes sense, like its born out of compulsion and feels "fake." When I am on a long streak I tend to be a lot more receptive to "real" looking women and that includes realistic physical characteristics. I dont feel like I am reducing a woman to just her ability to please my libido, I feel like I am able to appreciate the whole person.
     
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