M with P vs M without P..whats good and whats not..my take ..your take??

So there are certain people on these forum trying to preach that M with P is bad but not M without P..that if you do it in a controlled manner you can reap its benefits..i think its all bull and id like to know your opinion..let me build my case..

1 ) M with or without P is like a drug , ive never neen able to do it in a controlled manner..and i dont think most men can..these forums are filled with posts where men are apologetic and full of guilt for relapsing ..if i've ever been able to control M its by stopping P and M altogether..its like youre either in or youre out ..theres no middle ground..

2 ) man was given a penis to have sex with it , to procreate with it and take pleasure in doing with it , what it was meant to do..secondly its meant to work according to the stimulation thats provided by the vagina of a woman..it was not meant to work according to the stimulation provided by a hand..and over course one realises that via hand , the penis needs more and more more stimulation , leading to death grip syndrome and other disorders like shrinkage and nerve issues..

3 ) whilst you are with a woman , how and when you get off or nut depends on how she feels down there , the connection you both have , the environment and many other factors leading to varied results..but whilst youre doing it with your hand the only factors involved are porn and how strong is your grip..both vicious for the poor buddy and your over all health..

4 ) why have there arisen so many cases of delayed ejaculation or premature ejaculation..my theory is , if a man without any health conditions and such experiences such things , its directly related to the grip strength he displayed over his poor buddy and for how long...there are changes in the level of sensitivity the pensi is able to feel..different penises may react in a varied manner..

5) another point i'd like to add is people get or give handjobs but theres always an element of whos hand it is..in most cases its a woman's hand , again its much less severe in terms of grip than a mans hand..and would certainly not warrant any ill effects ...if a woman does it its occasional and the factors which decide how and when you get off are not just limited to grip strength like i talked above..its not the same as masturbation..the feminine energy the womans hand adds just another angle to the whole thing..

6) in the past , when P didnt use to be a big thing , little boys wouldnt be sneaking off with their phones or video players( 90s ) , masturbation was looked down upon by society , it was like a man would only do it when he was not strong enough to control his sexual energy and urges and couldnt find any woman to help him with the same , which would be a kind of an ebarassment..yes i know it was too much in the olden times..but still , it was so much better than now..if you cant get a girl now , you can just set a VR over your eyes and engorge into the virtual world of porn and fantasy , and just jerk away your time , mental , physical , spiritual strength and be host to a plethora of disorders and strange conditions...shaming is better than being subjected to or being able to do this shit..at least it worked as some sort of check on a man..

Thus i'd like to conclude that masturbation in itself with or without P is a black hole , you can not restrain it , you cant control it , you can only get engulfed in it and subsequently lose yourself in it...one can harness drug consumption with great difficulty and control but not masturbation..you need to be either here or there..either in or out..

 

And its because of this " only one , controlled relapse and other bs " mentality that most people here arent able to get over their addictions..

 

You're right man ...i came off too strongly in one of my replies...and i originally just asked for opinion not a debate ..