The Jedi Temple (open)

Day 9

 

Day 107!

 

Checking in for another day free of P

 

Day 77 - Jedi Master

7


Time to get a new ship

@Red_John Thanks for sharing your thoughts and the post. Insightful. You know it also feels the same way if you know some woman in real life and you start fantasizing about them sexually. It doesn't feel the same anymore when you start doing that. That is bizarre to think about. Yeah, that sucks that you have to associate that with a certain actress. I guess it is P-sub in your case. What was said on the post, I believe there are some that will classify some of it as a reset/relapse if you intentionally go to a model's account almost half nake (Still not nude) then say it P already. Technically it is not but you know some people will be tripping with that and say it is P I guess what Ūruz said. Probably from their perspective. As you said, your brain associates it with. Ugh. That's it. I would say my jury duty is not completely resolved but I was given another chance to reschedule which is good. Just I have to suck it up and do it whether or not I get selected or not. Then it is complete. That's it.

Damn Ūruz I didn't know you talk like that. Ya digg. That's what's up homie lol.
Ok, I'll share this.
Annd I want a good pump for my muscles at the gym sooner or later. Technically tomorrow I will. Rest day today. Train like a mad man because of people's ideology on here. Cool. People. Well I have to be a passive aggressive Jedi because everyone around will be intimidated by me...

Yes, this Jedi likes to train too at the gym as often as he can despite of this Pandemic situation


Fight the dark side

Keep Training

 

Day 9. One thing that I always underestimate when doing nofap is how much clearer my thinking is, and that I can just go on reverie's in my head for hours thinking in a positivistic way and boosting myself up. Relapsing day after day on the other hand it's like my mind has no momentum. There's no energy or catalyst to spark off intellectual adventures in my head, and to theorize how I might solve my problems. Relapsing day after day I'm essentially just being sustained by food and sleep, and that I'm just acting like a marionette on strings doing automatic habits with no forward moving intention. The sex drive of men is life creative for us in that it sustains us and propels us to go out into the world and to be a force of nature. Wasting that energy on habitual pmo, being addicted to pmo, then you can't be addicted to living life. You're barred off from living life because your soul is now contained up in this life sucking habitual practice.

I think I'm feeling the benefit of the guys who say that being on nofap for long enough women start to be interested in them. Well it's hard to tell for myself because I don't have experience with women, but I can say that I'm getting much more positive reactions from women with what I say and do. It seems like they're genuinely interested in me. If you can get a girl to laugh at something you've said I think you're making progress. I believe that you can take the way that women act towards you as a way of how to better improve yourself, as a kind of metric how to improve your life. If women give you no attention or negative attention, well it's pretty likely that you're not in a good place in your life. Maybe you're not taking care of yourself, or you think very negatively of yourself and you express that. If you're getting positive attention from them then you're doing something right, you're doing something good for yourself.

 

@Red_John Making this a separate post. Can you M/MO on Hard Mode and keep your streak? Will it count as reset/relapse on Hard Mode (No PMO) Challenges?? I know, it sounds odd. I have my own answer but I will say it after.

Anyone here can answer if you want to as well.

 

My assumption was that hardmode was avoiding all 3 pmo, and having a hard work ethic in your life so that you're not focused on pmo.

 

No. Hard Mode is how @Dovahkin101 described it. Hardmode is basically giving up all sexual activity (although sex with a partner is considered okay, unless it exacerbates symptoms). Masturbating and intentionally orgasming will be considered a relapse.

If someone drops porn, but masturbates, it's sometimes considered 'soft' or 'softer' mode.

That's what Hard Mode is to me.

 

The NoFap's official definition of Hard Mode (page 15)–https://www.nofap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Getting-Started-with-NoFap.pdf

 

So if you didn't watch P but M/MO it is not reset/relapse then?
For example, if I say during a Hard Mode Challenge "Hey guys, I didn't watch P but I decided M/MO'd because of high urges or whatever the reason. Is it a reset/relapse or keep your streak?

Most Hard Mode allows sex. Especially with sex with O. Well yes but for I'm not allowing myself for that during reboot. If it is not reset/relapse then this is ridiculous. Here is the Jedi Temple P-subs are allowed. But if you look at P-subs it is "reset" for other Hard Mode challenges. Ugh. Don't get me started with M/MO by itself because I will start rambling/ranting lol.

 

No P but you M/MO, that's a relapse.

To be honest, P-Subs are almost second tier for me. Eventually, you should stop looking at them, but the primary concern right now is porn. I don't know what other challenges say about P-Subs. In mine, it doesn't matter if you use p-subs.

 

So Standard Mode is No PM. I see. While Hard Mode is No PMO and also says no O during sex. See, that is what I was talking about in the first place. To my understanding when I saw No PMO for the rules, that means no O including sex as well. Why is it allowed in Hard Mode then? I might have read somewhere in the internet it does say O is ok with a partner during Hard Mode. But in the "Getting Started with NoFap" says there no O allowed in Hard Mode.

 

Sex is seen as healthy, although sometimes, it's not allowed in Hard Mode, because it brings about symptoms similar to relapsing in folk. especially if it's sex everyday. I view PMO as Porn, Masturbation, and Intentional Orgasm (masturbation leading to orgasm). Wet dreams and occasional sex are excluded IMO, regardless of what the NoFap document says.

 

I see. See, exactly! Thank you fellow Jedi friend. I am going to say this here. I came across someone's journal. He have not watched P but have done M/MO is one of my challenges. His in one of my Hard Mode Challenges right now and he is keeping his streak despite it says in the rules no M or more like "No PMO" at all. When I see that, to my understanding M/MO is considered to be a relapse. I was thinking of what @Dovahkin101 said if you use all three PMO then it is a full relapse. Then I was thinking unless you say you only MO then it is not a relapse on Hard Mode because you exclude P?? Wow, this is confusing. Thank you for answering my question. Because here I have been doing my best not doing no PMO. Not even doing M/MO and edging I see people around the forums doing M/MO and they are doing Hard Mode when they say in their check ins. I ask myself why are they keeping their streak?? What the freak...this is going to make me want to quit Hard Mode and just fall back to Semen Retention/NoFap streak...ugh this is confusing and frustrating. You know what, as I said. They can do whatever want. It's not affecting my progress any way. I just find it bizarre why people would say "I'm on Hard Mode but I decided to MO/M but keep my streak". I'm going to say it here there one person I don't like and said it one of my challenges. Two different person saying that they MO'd and still kept their streak. But you know what, whatever. It doesn't affect me regardless. Ugh people.

Well wet dreams doesn't count but if your on a Semen Retention streak then that is a relapse. But still though, my understanding in the first place was no O for anything including sex. I know sex is more natural. Actually, it is better than PMO/MO obviously but if you ask anyone on Hard Mode Challenge about rules on sex with O here in the NoFap forum it is allowed over here. Not a relapse if you have sex with O during Hard Mode. But if it is under M whether it is PMO/MO then it is a relapse to my understanding. But in the guide book "Getting Started with NoFap", during Hard Mode there is no O at all.

Another confusing thing for me is when people say I am on Hard Mode but really they actually doing No PM. Because they say their having sex with O with their partner. Technically in my eyes it is No PM regardless it is in Hard Mode. It is No PMO under Masturbation but with sex well it's technically No PM that your doing.

Well any way, as I said sex with O is allowed in Hard Mode challenges. I find it bizarre when I first came across it then it says no PMO on the rules. That means no O for anything right? No it is actually allowed during sex on most Hard Mode challenges here in the forums unless your doing M/MO/PMO. But in the guide book of NoFap says no O including with your partner or anything lol...

Ūruz, G'd up bro lol.

I would still say P-subs aren't that bad but I mean it can lead to peeking to P. So you know, you have to avoid as best as possible. For the record, my best 28 days of No PMO (First coming back to the forums) I was using P-subs unknowingly like Ūruz when he read it on the LOTR challenge. I was still getting the benefits during that time despite of using them. It has gotten better now for me. I still need to be a bit more strict with them as I said in the first sentence. Well I guess the rules are rules in other challenges.

I was going to ask this on the other challenges of mine but I guess I will leave it here. I don't want spend time talking about this. I rather spend my time doing my check ins rather than this

Sorry for the rambling fellow Jedis LOL. Annd I want to Force Ghost soon like Luxor...

 

Here is another one I was wondering about.

Is it a reset/relapse if you watch something triggering (Not P) then you O because of it?

E.g. You watched a video of sexy ladies dancing then you O during it. Well you peeked or a friend shared it with you then you kept watching then you O during or after that.
Is that a considered a reset/relapse? This is for Hard Mode Challenge btw. Ok, it has happened to someone over here that I know of.

For me, I would give them a pass but you didn't M/MO. But for me, that can be categorized as P-subs in that case.
That's ouch but I would still give this a pass. That's it.

 

That's a relapse IMO, because it's using P-Sub in the same way as porn. Doesn't matter if the ladies are naked or not, or whether the person masturbated. If you're watching material that is giving you that dopamine high, and you orgasm, that's a relapse for me.

 

Day 11, unfortunately guys I relapsed.

 

I personally don't have an issue with having actual sex when you're trying to reboot. Maybe it will help, and depends on your own energies and preferences. For some guys we're just so damn horny all the time that busting a nut in a girl will be a relief, and it didn't have anything to do with porn addiction. At the end of the day for me it's all about overcoming addiction of porn.

 

Day 34 - Jedi Knight

Not to worry. Try not to fall into a binge, get yourself mentally ready, and go again!

 

I'm on one of those mental trips you get sometimes when doing nofap. My spirit is propelling into the stratosphere and it's affecting the people around me. The girl I was talking about with a boyfriend who invited me over to her house, what the hell was that? I tried talking to a friend about it but by just stating a few details he instantly got really judgemental and it wasn't the kind of conversation I wanted to have. I wanted to talk about how I felt and thought about it. I am a very curious person, and when a girl invites me over to her house all alone, I'm like what the hell is this? I'm so interested in what's going on, that is there a possibility of getting with this girl? And the more I thought about it I realized that I started to feel contempt towards her boyfriend. I've never really felt contempt before until now. It's what you feel when you see someone being a decrepit and weak animal, someone who acts like a victim when they're not. The girl said to me that she felt guilty for being with me instead of him. And he kept calling her all night but she didn't answer the phone. Nothing sexual happened between us, but I just find it really interesting about what dynamic was going on there, and how my nofap journey essentially propelled me into this situation. She is worried that her boyfriend is going to be jealous if he found out that I was hanging out with her alone, and she wanted me to not tell him that I was with her. I mean come on guys what does that say to you? Whether you like it or not, women respect men who respect themselves, and who don't get jealous. They like men who think about themselves first, a real man who conquers his territory and takes what he can. The vibes I get from this guy is really submissive and anxious energy. There could be an argument that he doesn't deserve this girl if she can be taken away from him. I have this thought that is pleasurable which is taking his girlfriend and teaching him a lesson about not being a simp. For now anyway I'll let the chips where they'll fall and not become prey to being a simp or needy boy for this girl. If she actually does want me, then it will be obvious and she will ask for me.