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Are you suffering from HOCD - Share with us your story

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by zenon27, Jan 23, 2016.

  1. zenon27

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    I've one of those sufferers, but have you been suffering HOCD also? And if you did. How are you handling this beast inside you, and did you manage to beat it even?

    Share with us your wisdom
     
  2. Thanks dude! I ws forgetting this! Hope this helps!
     
  3. Absolutely no man! Lol

    HOCD most of the time os not P related, I am the case and I had it because of my Pied. But ince you are in it doesn't matter if you started because of porn or shit, it simply feeds itself and becomes self sufficent and in order to get rid of it you have to work on yourself and you mind. Trust me in this!
     
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  4. zenon27

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    (Dgmili93 is right)
    I've talk to this man before and he knows what he is talking about. Its really all about building yourself as you said, I would think many people that are going past this feel somewhat (less than a man) to a real man, banging chicks on every cornet he doesn't even know their names, this mentality of the world is so fucked up and today's era is down right sex obsesses. Photoshop, full of fake, porn requiting people that have been sex abused and throw them out when they are no use to them anymore. Shit gets uglier the more you look into it, While Gaston is right about fetishes I feel. I used to have my thought obsession with porn images in the past, and the image of a girl giving ORAL, but I got rid of those the longer I stayed away porn. There is some benefits, if anything, the energy we get from staying away can be used on self-development so its a win win situation.

    going back to porn is in a way also a secure way to insure that HOCD will hold around because it will drain your energy, which you need for self-development, and make the person feel less of a man, impregnating the screen, pixels, heck I knew I was an addict when I say no porn... no problem, until my HOCD was so high I simply didn't care anymore and I hit back to it, killing my longest streak of 72 days and for what, those few second of pleasure that was not even all that great, if I was not an addict I would have no problem staying away from it, for life, or else I'm just an addict even if it just a habit of watching it.
     
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  5. zenon27

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    thanks on your feedback Gaston. Good to see you around here. I agree on the fetishes part, especially when it comes to memories of porn people used to watch in the past.
     
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  6. Man you are so right about the energy thing!

    Right now I feel depressed and shit because of the flatline too, there are the exams and so on, so my mind is not able to do some builduo work against ossessions. I feel it, I feel that I keep falling back. If I looked at zenon's profile picture or at gaston's picture that is a fucking draw, I could start believing I like them, sometimes it seems I like fictional character too for fuck sake!
    You know this is on a whole other level and if you are not deep into it, and I hope you will never be, you can't totally understand it. It's not your fault gaston obviously! It's because it's an extreme complex thing.

    If I were on holodays in some caraibbian beach I would probably get rid of it in half time. But right now reboot comes first.
     
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  7. zenon27

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    Dude I know how you feel, shit gaston gif picture is basically based on high confidence, and no BS, but dude I know what you mean with that one. Dude just the way you said it my HOCD was thinking, damn should I feel good about that or wth you know, HOCD makes you question everything.

    LISTEN TO THIS
    I use to have this fucking strange bestiality around my cats even dude, (ORAL ON MY CAT) for fuck sake, kill me now, And one time I was fighting this fictional dragon In Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate on my 3DS and what did my mind think, of giving fucking oral to it..... that was 6 months ago, when I was away from porn it all disappeared. But my mind was in constant overdrive and in that time I masturbated to porn.

    Two word:
    Meditate Mindfulness
    (the thoughts are not you, they are like clouds, don't give them any meaning, but you know this already, just let them go crazy floating while you do this meditation)
    find some sessions on YouTube and dedicate your body and mind to relax in nature, meditate, let it all flow, don't struggle with anything you have on your mind, just accept them.
    Train your mind to not give a fuck on what he throws at you, because your emotional brain is the core reason of your obsession, at some point it had a thoughts and your emotional brain never let go of it, like people normally do all the time.

    My HOCD started when I had my first gay thoughts in school when I was 26 years old and I was shocked thinking "Am I gay".... yeah 26, first gay thought, does that shit even make any sense anymore -_- I mean in 26, what was I doing for all this time then, living a lie, I doubt it.

    keep it strong bro! We have your back bro, don't you ever forget that. HOCD is illogical, I realized that you never use logic against this beast as it will always backfire.
    Stuck in a loop as you say it.
     
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  8. Subscrive everything you said man!

    I also had strange shit going on: for example I am so self centered in a sense that I am proud when people are staring at me with that 'you are good' look.
    When walking down the street a group of girls do that I feel proud as fuck.
    Well you know what, if someone I believe is gay looks at me in this way, I think 'oh man I am so good that even gay people thinks I am awsome', but then that feeling of 'wait, now keep your distance' came in.
    And this happened before HoCD, now imagine this kind of shit under HOCD light! Do you guess it? Fucking nightmare like 'you are so gay that you would like to have sex with all the dudes that look at you' LOL! To the point I would easily prefer thinking about giving a blowjob to my cat man (just joking xD)!

    So yeah, thoughts are thoughts and the virtual world that HOCD builds up can be destroyed only through the 'IDGAF' mantra! The only thing is that is hard to keep repeating that mantra when gay shit pops up everywhere! Bit we need to do this no matter what!
     
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  9. At least we bring some happiness and ridicoulness into this section lol :D
     
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  10. Hey guys!

    Yesterday evening and night I think I have reached the bottom!

    I qas havig a di ner and hanging out with my old classmates and I felt like shit.
    HOCD has fucked up me badly in this last days. If I look back to two weeks ago I was going strong in handling this beast (even had straight attractions back) but unfortunately some days ago it took me again, to use a nofap term I relapsed!
    Because this actually what HOCD os about: using our will strength to avoid relapsing into gay thoughts and shit. I perfectly know what must be done, but everybody here knows how hard is to keep this motivation in the days to come.

    When you have HOCD you have to:

    - embrace gay thoughts, let them flow and ignore them as a consequence; this is the hardest part because it will make you think you are gay, well dudes, you have to not give a shit about it. You will have you most strange fantasies transformed into an obvious proof of you homosexuality. Dudes, EVERYONE has gay thoughts, they simply don't weight too much on it.

    - STOP CHECKING, cause when tou are under HOCD and anxiety spikes, you will have: gay thoughts storming your brain, fals arousal, false attesctions (sincere ammiration for a dude can be misread as love or shit), groinal responses (this is the most scary thing, but it is actually normal), and worst thing of all, your libido and attraction towards women will banned into the deep hell.
    If this happens you don't have to force attractions towards girl, simply accept that in this moment HOCD is fucking up your emotions. If hou force an attraction you will have the opposite effect.

    - hang out mates! Do activities and stuff, you have to expose yourself to the risk of interacting with other people! In order to shift your thoughts from gay shit.

    What HOCD wants, is to feed itself and it's going to do everything it can to achieve it, which means creating a pseudo reality where it can manipulate you as it wants. You have to ignore it to take away its weapons.


    Coming back to my hang out. As I said yesterday I felt like shit, I was with male and female classmates obviously and everything crushed down. In the last days I felt like HOCD was manipulating me from the dark, like I didn't feel anything particoular but simply kinda blocked, something like 'I know what I want but I know I can't get it' or things like that. When I saw my mates I started asking myself 'did I like them?' And started worh false attraction. When I looked at my female mates I was like 'damn they are all engaged, wtf?? They have a normal straight relationship! Do I envy their boyfriends or do I envy them for having a boyfriend?' Or shit like that, and I was going like 'fuck me, I will never be able to be happy in this way'. It was like I actually felt myself as gay, but at the same time something didn't feel right.

    And then I understood.
    Dudes I think I am one of the worst case of HOCD, if this is HOCD even. I have always been a bit homophobic and so on but now I am kinda much more open minded. You know what? At the beginning gay thoughts and compulsions made me sick, full anxiety and mad. After two months I could even imagine myself doing gay things, life etc. Even being (pseudo) aroused by this shit and I became depressed as fuck. I had no more strenght to bounce away this thoughts and feelings, like my old self was being repressed each day always more and being pushed down deep in my mind. I came to a point that Girls mad me anxious.

    But what happened yesterday evening has been able to let me go back on the right track. As I said I felt gay, like girls were a world I couldn't achieve anymore, and I felt uncomfortable, tou know what? I was actually SAD. You was fucking sad, I could have gay thougths, gay fantasies, I could even sucking a dick and shit but man, this will NOT change who you are, and I was sad. Sad that I couldn't have all that straight things anymore (like someone imposed me to be gay).

    Dude remember this! You can actually be the worst HOCD case in history, you could force yourself into a gay relationship because of frustration but if you feel sad watching straight couple have the normal life you always wanted than there is your answer. If ONCE in you 'gay' life you feel loke that, there is your fucking answer so hold your freaking shooot together and march over!
    You actually believe that those gay couple are sad of being they way they are? Hell no! They are happy, love is happpiness men, there is no way love straight or gay, can male you sad, unless you are not forcing yourself to do something you are not born to do. That's the matter.
    I recently read a topic of a guy who overcome HOCD, he gave a fantastic answer that will post here, read this:

    I used to worry myself about my sexuality. I enjoyed gay porn but didn’t consider myself gay. I had extreme HOCD and used to obsess over my sexuality for years. How have I overcome that? Every time I was worrying over my sexuality I used to repeat this mantra ‘Your attraction towards men might be caused by porn or might be caused by my natural desires. It DOES NOT matter. As long as you don’t worry about this or fantasise over it nothing bad will happen.’ The reason I never let myself fantasise over men is because I didn’t want to ‘relapse’. Not because I was homophobic. If you ask what my sexuality is now, my answer is: I don’t know or care. I go with the flow. I don’t worry about whether or not I find women or men attractive. Gender is irrelevant. And yes, some people will say porn may have changed my sexuality. My ‘sexual tastes may have morphed’. But why does it even matter? As long as you do not watch porn it cannot harm you. All I know is I love women and that’s that. My attraction towards same sex doesn’t bother me. I might be bisexual it might be a porn fetish. I don’t care! Just don’t watch porn!

    This is how it is! The answer is, are we gay, are we straight? Fuck this! We have to feel our emotions! Our real rmotions!
    What HOCD tell us? Who actually GIVES A FREAKING SHITTY FUCK????? None! We know down deep who we are, but have it back we simply have to ignore it and follow the flow, and becoming better people!
    Ignore everything! Last noght I went from being gay to straight a thousand times! Idgaf! I'm gonna bang a woman and love her when I will eventually ready and in the case this will happen with a man? So be it! Why does this even matter?


    Hope this helps mates! Probably I forgot thousand things I wanted to say! i eventually add them up!
     
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  11. Golgo 13

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    Idk wht "HOCD" is but i'll tell you people have always been sex obsessed. 12 year olds were fucking way back when too - it just wasn't talked about.

    I think its wrong to confuse nostalgia to how things really were back then. People have always wanted to 'bang as many chicks' left and right, people have always been raping, people have always been pedophiles.
    Truth is we have near instant communication so now its not a secret; rest assure things in the past were always much worse then they are today.
     
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  12. zenon27

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    true that, but I'm mostly applying to the idea that the world is looking for this perfect, nothing is good for anything, people don't developed natural connection with anybody outside just sleeping with them. (In the past a hunter spotting a woman in the wild for the very first time, imagine how he must have felt, sexualy). But that healthy communication seems to fade with each new generation. Adding the idea that the world showcases women online in an unrealistic way, under this fake mask, I saw what Photoshop does when they change every single detail, and making females outside feeling like they have to change something about themselves. My last girlfriend felt her breaths size was not good enough, so she compared herself to other women in the worst place, the Internet. Heck most of us compared our masculinity to other men and if we felt short we felt not worty, less of a man, we would envy, little knowing what they even struggle inside. People with HOCD would apply this comparison as attraction and confuse the two....
     
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    also congratulation on day 38, I once were on 72 but I lost it afterwards
     
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  14. Right now I am going thorugh a straight phase, I guess after saying this I'm immedistly gonna fall into angay one LoL
     
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    damn straightly put.
    Honestly I was homophobic also back in the days, HOCD also made me feel I was even more now, but that was because my parents are homophobic and its like faith put down from old believes. What I believe is that sexuality is not so black and white, this whole 100% straight I also think is a bunch of bull, look what people do when they are under the influence of alcohol and what sexual activity so called straight prisoners have in the cell with their play mates being males also, and look at the old roman times for example.

    Staying away from porn will give us the energy to recognize out self clearly, but its really one of the steps, another is exposing yourself to the fear itself and accepting because OCD sufferers can't take that 1% of doubts, many people can live with life being 99% sure about something, OCD sufferers can't so they obsess, for us it is kinda black and white but at the same time its that black and white we have to beat, by accepting that we will simply will never know. And end our journey with that.
     
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  16. Yeah you hit the point!

    I can speak as someone who just hit day 43 and still has not be able to completly avoid triggers, fantasy and shit.
    I DO NOT rule completly out that what is happening to us is our 'obsessive version' of brain healing. I mean: right now I can fell my mind is chaos, I fear that I will never be able to have normal relationship, normal sexual life like I have kinda foot fetish too and tgat I will never be able to get it up with anything else, and worrying worrying worrying shit....

    It's true I developed HOCD before reboot bit I can in a sense confirm that during reboot things have been pretty unstable, unbalanced, like my brain is a chaotic storm of thoughts and fears right now, I don't know if this is the same for you.

    But let's actually think about it. Me personally started PmOing in my teen so my mind has grown up with bad porn influence that in a sense created a particoular mindset during the years.
    And when we were PMOing we never took the problem serioisly cause you know fuck that I am orgasming on an overloading amount of shit amd I am happy with that. But now?

    Imagine our brain being like a child that uses parents' arms to lear walking. Cutting porn is like leaving parents' arms and our brain is actually shittong in his pants like 'what the fuck is happening? How can I walk alone now?'
    And so it tries desperatly to be sustained by a chair, a table, a box and all the shit that it is finding in the room. Now imagine the chair, the box and table to be Idk for example, foot fetish, or ebony, or porn or whatever you used to jerk off. Our brain is actually scared and it is now resetting it self and using all the shit it can to make us understand it is uncomfortable.
    Walking is actually our straight taste and the objects that the baby brain touches is simply casual shit passing aside. With or without parents' arms the baby has to walk.

    So who knows we are obviously obsessive dudes, this is our nature but probably this mindstorm is a kinda of desore of our brain to relapse that is more complocated in our cases than for a simple porn addicted.

    We opened the pandora chest and now shit is coming out, thinking about it, it's not that strange actually. We just need an umbrella.

    Don't know what you think guys, right now I am experiencing something like 'what will arouse me now that I don't binge myself? Will be men, will be women, will be feet, will be boobs, butts, gay things and so on?'
    I think this could be a flatline realted thing, like 'listen I have no libido, you don't even jerk off, you are actualy cutting my food, what the fuck am I supposed to do now?'

    Just wondering guys!
     
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  17. zenon27

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    I think you are in your final stage, the mindset of not giving a fuck as you stated, that is the mindset you need to adopt.
    Whether that be female, male, gender-less, anything just accepting the world and appreciating beauty in us all. Also I doubt real man don't recognize another man as handsome, good looking, for that wouldn't make sense. People can recognize cute in a cat/dog as much as beautiful in a woman, but not handsome in a man,,,, WHAT A BUNCH OF HORSESHIT! This generation is just uptight shallow and heavily insecure so they even say that a real straight person consider all male... ugly... again that statement wouldn't make sense, woman can compare their beauty with a another but we.... no way,,, not without being questioned about our sexuality.

    Just because i can recognize a man as Handsome doesn't mean I wanna grab his hands and sleep with that man.... Jesus freaking Christ, world! I feel this generation has some growing up to do that throw statements like that. I only fear how many people are insecure about themselves because of those stereotypes out there.

    you got this :)
     
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  18. It's not simply don't giving a shit. This is a good way to not let the gay thoughts create you a panic attack! Is actually being able to stop all this cravings and popping up of HOCD but also of porn related shit!

    Clear all this up is the first step to write the correct formula on the new whit page! Right now our brain is messing things because he is blind and does not know how to behave, that is my assumotion, anyway you are right!
     
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  19. zenon27

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    brother you need to do Mindfulness :)
     
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  20. zenon27

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    I know what you mean.
    MY hocd game thinking I was sexually repressed and regarding urges, well porn took most of those away. All I know today is that my real urge comes from wanting my girlfriend next to me in bed, naked rubbing each other bodies, I love this girl and for me just feeling her warm body can compare just about to anything, even the stronger crave this world has to offer. But hocd gave me thinking I also fancy man, but that only gone till facial recognition as facially good looking but never body.

    When in bed with my GF it would feel like my hands are being magnetized to her boobs as much as my member being magnetized to go rub himself on her warmest area. I felt like a damn rabbit, while this doesn't apply I was looking for P to V all the time, far from it. I suffered from Frenulum Breve so i had my mind filled with that but other things didn't change. Also i had my surgery done and now I'm healing
     

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