The reason why you should masturbate

The point your making is that MO isn't bad by definition. I agree, I think that if we weren't supposed to MO at all, we would have shorter arms.
I think P is much more harmful and addictive, and it's the reason most of us are here. P is artificial stimulation. I'm not denying that doing MO in excess is a problem too, but it's not the majority, I think.
The thing is that a lot of us tend to relapse to P during a chaser effect from M. That's why a lot of folks decide to do hard mode. On the other hand I'm curious if abstaining from MO isn't causing flatline and loss in libido. That would be throwing baby with the bathwater.
I'm trying this approach myself, I stigmatized MO in my head, thinking that it's part of the problem. That lead me to M only with P, which we know isn't healthy. So I'm trying just not to watch P instead of No PMO hard mode. We'll see.
It would be cool to see some discussion on this, as well as some more scientific approach.

 

Again I will give my support to this, on NoFap we are all here to tackle our addiction to P but some of us do not have a problem with M and O, I certainly don't and am only going through hard mode because I know my addiction has impacted that much that I need a proper reboot in order to get that stage where I can M and O without being something artificial.
Again I express my objective opinion that a lot of peoples perception of M & O is determined by ethics and morality. for me this comes from my self rather than an outside element dictating it to me. Also I believe a liberated sexuality is healthy that we mean to explore our bodies but not excess in them, at least in self stimulation that is. If your Ming all day long everyday, for sure it will have jest as damaging affect on you as watching P.
I agree with you that its where the mind is, the intentions behind M and O.

 

A dopamine hit is a dopamine hit. You are still a junkie looking for fake arousal and a hit of dopamine..... and your brain is rationalizing. It's like an alcoholic saying beer is not as bad as vodka.

The only thing natural is sex between two real people.

I think it is a bit dangerous to post this on noFAP. People trying to give up PMO don't need to have seeds planted in their head why they should masturbate

 

I think the TE is right. But what definetely has to be said is that, you should not masturbate when you have to arouse yourself through fantasy. Fantasy will be influenced by porn anyway and it will only set you back on the track of porn. IF you masturbate, do it when you feel naturally aroused. If you're on NoFap it'll come by itself. You won't need any artificial stimulation or even fantasy. The sensation is the most important part. This is what NoFappers have their brains get used to. Getting aroused by touch and sensation and not by fantasy. Being in the moment. NoFap never started out as a movement to abolish masturbation but porn. If you don't get rid of your natural urges your body will eventually urge you to watch porn.
But I would still say that hardcore porn viewers should go hardmode anyway because they associate masturbation with porn and one will lead to the other.
So step 1 is getting rid of porn and step 2 is getting in touch with your sexuality through masturbation without any kind of artificial stimulation.
If you don't watch porn you won't masturbate that much anyway because you don't activate the coolidge effect in your brain.

 

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I agree 100% and we may even get aroused during the day, though not moing and p all the time, what are we to do with this energy in the places, and even the mind after several days, I am trying to get out of the habit of mo every day, but when I need to release or my mind has a women going crazy in it, I will mo to have relief.

 

Sounds like a pure addict talking to be honest. It's like an alcoholic whose sober and in recovery says one day he will drink Achohol in moderation because of the health Benifits . But we all know its only a matter of time before the perso n in sobriety returns back do his heavy alcohol Drinking ways .

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Haziam very well said

 

Then Make it happen stop making excuses. Instead use that energy of not masterbating and go meet real women. If you believe you can or can't your right either way . Life's to be short to be wasting time

 

true!

 

yep, I am back to going 90 days with out any m at all, its the only way to get a women friend. then it will force me to be into women and talk with them get deeper into friendships, not talking about sex, till I get married of course.

 

but boy is it hard to do.

 

I find this to be one of the much more interesting threads I have come across on here.

 

Hmm. I can't say I agree with everything you said, but you've raised some very interesting points that made me think a little.

I will personally pass, mostly because at the stage I myself am at, it would be more destructive to even try screwing myself. My sex-starved brain would start seeking images, fantasies, or even actual pr0n to amplify the pleasure partway in. In general, somebody trying to break the addiction probably shouldn't engage in it.

However, the rest of your logic is actually quite sound.

 

Great post brother, I most definitely agree. I am currently doing no PMO, but this is only temporary. I want to MO in the future, when I know I can trust myself to have control over my own urges, and act on them responsibly. I don't agree with other NoFappers who demonize male sexuality as something destructive and evil. Yes, it can be dangerous when not controlled by the conscious mind; however, it's not something to be ignored and ashamed of. I like how you compared sexuality to eating (both within the Root Chakra of spirituality). It's similar to how I view it. The way spiritual people have times of fasting (NOFap/PMO), there are also times where you need to eat.

 

Why? Why on earth?

Save your sexual energy for real women. Jesus! It is like a junkie saying "my long term goal is to switch from crack to pot".

There is only one reason why male sexual desire exists....and that is to motivate you to place your penis inside a woman....that's it.

Anything else is a perversion of whats natural and you are no better than a dog humping a leg.

 

Why waste time asking, lol? I just couldn't believe my eyes at this thread, had to come and reassure myself there are similar minds as me here, there are.

Whew, logic like this is dangerous for recovery.

Now if I may share a tidbit from another post:

Here are some of the harmful effects of masturbation
to be considered, kindly read and stop doing masturbation
once again. Make your impression in the comments.

1. Masturbation makes you weak, it spends more
energy and burns your calorie
2. Masturbation creates nervousness and neurological
problems
3. Masturbation is a main cause for erectile
dysfunction.
4. Masturbation addicts you even if you taste it for one
time. Controlling it is a very big menace.
5. Masturbation creates drowsiness; you will be
sleeping most of the time after ejaculation of your sperm.
You will experience a damn tired.
6. Masturbation causes stress and strain in your mind
and soul.
7. Masturbation also affects us psychologically; it
creates depression after ejaculation and makes one to feel
bad on his own.
8. Getting red hot while masturbating will give a bad
name in your surroundings and it is indecent too.
9. Masturbation cannot be done simply, it needs to see,
touch, indulge or at least think of a sexual practice/ sex
organs of the opposite sex. This is more harmful that the
image in your memory that you see could not be erased
easily. This will lead you to a noxious problem that you
cannot see any girl/ lady/ women without a single thought
i.e., sex.
10. Masturbation creates an urge to do indefinitely; it
doesn’t see the place, people and culture. It makes you to
fell in a worse sexual problem if chance knocks the door.
11. Masturbation leads you to illegal contacts because the
urge increases day by day and finally will lead to the search
of a source for sexual pleasure.
12. Masturbation is the main reason for speedy sperm
release during sexual intercourse. It will create
dissatisfaction to you and to your wife.
13. Over masturbation reduces your sperm count. Couples
who desire to get pregnant should not masturbate.
14. Seminal fluid that gets released on masturbation
contains proteins that are needed for many metabolic
activities and cell formations. Proteins are the building
blocks of our body; ejaculation often will create you to be
lean and distracts your metabolism of muscle building.
15. Ethically masturbation is wrong; you think of X/Y and
do sex of your own. This hinders your values and respect
on others. May be you are good in all other regard but will
end up in a great problem if not concerned to stop this
habit.
16. Masturbation wastes your time and makes you
useless.
17. The pleasure of masturbation never lasts for a long
time.
18. Masturbation creates more problems as you lose your
memory and thought provoking ability.
19. Masturbation is not the end for your desire; you may
be fooled by your own practice. It will never give you a
solution or a satisfaction but seems that it gives.
20. It is not needed in any way to your sexual life that it
has to be practiced without fail.
21. Guys who masturbate will lose interest in sex with
their wife very soon. They can’t feel pleasurable for a long
time.
22. Masturbation induces homosexuals in schools,
colleges and hostels. Many times the latter creates sexually
transmitted diseases like VD, syphilis, AIDS etc.

And if you still think masturbation is 'normal' or 'healthy', 3 links I shared in another thread and a book that every boy should have read before Kinsey research warped the minds of most of the mass media controlled Western world:

www.semenloss.info

https://gnosticteachings.org/faqs/sex/1673-what-is-semen.html

http://gnosticwarrior.com/magic-fire-semen.html

When A Boy Becomes A Man

 

I agree that for a single young man, its hard not to masturbate.
But I feel like I overdone it as a teen. That contributed to my usage of porn.
Also, I ended up with PIED. I kept fantasizing and watching porn to release my seeds. I stayed up late to release, making me more tired.
I decided to stop masturbation, along with stopping to watch porn, to reduce the amount of CHASER effect occurances.

Of course, its all easy to say, as I have real sex with the wife.
Again, I feel for the single guys. But you folks know that its like walking on quicksands....so be careful!

 

Dude, do you even get what you're saying? The reason why I stayed away from NoFap.com for a time is because of religious lunatics like you who think masturbation is a practice of the devil or something. Masturbation in itself is not ethically wrong. Nobody gets hurt, one person feels pleasure and relaxed after the act. Masturbating without the thought of anyone and just focusing on the sensation is much better anyway and you'll feel more satisfied. The problem is porn and not the act itself. While I agree that overmasturbation is unhealthy I don't see the damage in doing it now and then. If you are busy with your life you won't have the urge to masturbate that much anyway. The coolidge effect gets triggered by porn and not by masturbation. The reason why I think masturbation can be beneficial is because it can teach your body to get aroused by touch. If you fantasize all the time during M, sure you set yourself back. In this day and age our fantasies will be influenced by porn so I recommend staying away from fantasy. It's better to just M then to let all the sexual tension build up and watch P. That was the case for me sometimes.

And to point 22. Shame on you for writing something as stupid as this. Really I'd feel embarassed for writing this. M won't turn you gay. Being gay is completely natural and there is nothing wrong with it. How is it supposed to turn a teen gay anyway? Just religious nonsense.
And even if it was right, we should then encourage teens to masturbate, so they will turn gay so we can stop the over population problem.

I'm really thinking of leaving the Nofap forums behind. NoFap seems to attract to many extremists in many ways.

My tip guys is find out what works for you. Don't follow blindly, like stupid sheep, what others say. Many ways lead to rome. If you struggle with P addiction even though you used the advice on this site, then maybe the advice here is shit. Find your way out of P addiction and don't let others influence you too much with their extremist ways.