Is porn the problem, or is it just a lack of moderation?

What a ridiculous opinion! Why do you think that men are not exploited in the porn industry? Are you serious Mr Murdoch?

How can you include barbequed food in a list of the sweets people eat? Barbequed fruit, veg and chicken fillet is healthy!

 

Murdock Sir, you have welcomed a world full of responses, just you wait And I don't mean to sound impertinent

I've read your point, I've understood it... and... it's nothing new. This is a common excuse - please, a lot of other threads address this point, if you care enough, please enlighten yourself with the answers of the true Fapstronauts against PMO. Good Day!

https://www.NoFap.com/forum/index.p...hort-opinion-the-great-lie.70552/#post-545369
https://www.NoFap.com/forum/index.p...tart-going-on-hookup-sites.70510/#post-545210
https://www.NoFap.com/forum/index.p...g-as-a-healthy-use-of-porn.70463/#post-544993

and that is not to say that I am against freedom of expression or anything like that. If done in an artful manner and essential to the storytelling, I am not a Nazi, please, I encourage it. It's when things like porn - are exclusively there to MAKE MONEY and exploit not only those on screen but especially those OFF SCREEN. I find myself, thankfully... off screen, and just because you use porn to satisfy your sexuality (and without any adverse effects as you claim)... Sir I beseech you, to look inward and find out why you choose to isolate yourself so and treat yourself like this animal. Sexuality is so much bigger than the speck of SHIT that is porn.

 

Nofap is not a public campaign and is not against masturbation. you can read more here. people are here because they have problems with over-consuming porn, and it becomes an addiction. And new definition about addiction changed long time ago. It's not about overusing drugs, but about overusing drugs which affects other activities. if your actions towards drugs do not affect other activities, so i guess you're not an addict.
well i can blame anything or anyone for lack of moderation. if your question is kinda philosophical, then i would say yes, almost everything is lack of moderation of humans. porn, alcohol, heroin,... are just things

 

I completely agree with all of Caleb's posts on this. And I do not wank or look at porn except for sometimes when my gf was fat and I needed a mental image to help get me in the mood.

I saw the article in the NYTimes today and the whole thing looked like everyone is taking a black and white Puritanical approach. The Puritanical approach is dangerous. There was this kid in my school who was trying to force himself to quit wanking. He was down on himself and would always relapse and one day ended up hanging himself. The sex drive is a Force of Nature. You cannot fight it.

Yes, anybody wanking 15 times a day has a real issue that needs to be taken care of. How does the military keep recruits from wanking in bootcamp? Isn't there some kind of drug they put in the food that takes care of the problem? There are herbal teas that are very effective in removing all thoughts of sex too.

Sex workers and porn workers are for the most part in the West free business people and are not coerced. Like many who takes a job that is less than ideal, they are in it for the money and the lifestyle.

 

In my humble opinion Sir, I don't think further engaging this topic with you can result in discourse of any substantial gathering, intelligence or connection for me. Having said that, you don't need a 22 y/o as myself telling you how to live your life, that's just unnecessary, I'm sure you've heard enough advise in your years. You've had more time to settle into yourself and discover what makes you happy and I am no one to tear that away from you. What can I do, the optimist in me wants to see a better world? The redeemer in me wants to help out those that are unaware of the fact that they have a problem, that is viciously barricading them from becoming the best version of themselves? I've found the error in my ways and what do we know, everything I knew deep down to be wrong about the cyclic use of PMO when I started has found me again and having gone through the experience, I've discovered MUCH MUCH MUCH worse things. As if my negative feelings about PMO addiction were exceeded 100 fold into reality, as per EVIDENCE of abhorrent misanthropy, ranging from (and it's forced, just thought you'd need that clarification): sex-trafficking, sexual slavery, prostitution, and everything and anything to do with porn (I'm not saying research the topic or write a thesis, take baby steps, just google the topic "adverse" or even "effects" of porn usage). Your happy-go-lucky outlook of casual demeanor towards porn is distasteful to me, to put it politely. I believe we are at a fundamental, philosophical, and spiritual disconnect and mismatch. Your addictive complacency is something I recognize because I've been through it. What's next Sir?

"Pedophilia, wow I mean if it works for you and you've got no problem with it? Go right ahead! Mmmmmm little children."
"Slaughtering life for enjoyment aka hunting for sport, fuck if I care, if you have no problem with it, as long as YOU're happy."
"On bestiality being wrong?... wow, such a puritanical thing of you to say, why make it a moral issue if I want to fuck my cat?"
"Hey we're already carnivores and the meat industry just gives us the opportunity to be on top of the food chain, I lurve steak"

...do I even need to go on? You'd have every little portion of the human body, mind, spirit, essence and sexuality cordoned, cut up and distributed if that meant it's supplying the need, fetish, or desire of someone. I'm glad you found us though, especially me. You're putting yourself out there to test others or yourself, I don't know but knowing the logic that people use to justify and justify and justify and justify... I am so glad that I am no longer a part of that group. I think you're EXTREMELY ill-informed and hold guarded beliefs based on an un-examined phenomena and these faith-elements of yours have perforated into your logical reasoning. And you make me and other fapstronauts sound like a gang Sir. What the hell? Why do you think we joined? We want to express our sexual nature in a constructive, healthy and liberating way away. I am not puritanical, I'm free-thinking. And exercise of morality is not tyrannical. I'm trying to get to the point that my inner voice is louder than the outside and sorry to have indulged here, but I couldn't just sit idly. I want to aspire to greatness, enough said.

 

Spoiler: It get's a little graphic... not sexually so, but in every other way

I'm not denying that the lure of PMO to become an addictive cycle is a NATURAL instinct. KILLING SOMETHING for your survival is a NATURAL instinct. If you're hungry and desperate enough, CANNIBALIZING another human being is a NATURAL instinct. If you're angry, depressed, and confused, battling with the societal traditions that keep you chained up, a school system that bullies your mental creativity into submission, a social system of faux friends who put you down, bully you everyday and make you their little bitch, and the lack of connection to express your love and sexuality when porn induces an atmosphere of disconnection, isolation, and selfishness in the measures of experiencing love and sex. Then you can't connect with anyone and since the laws of the state allow gun ownership... to rid yourself of the utter destitution within your soul and betrayal from your closest ones and to fuel your rage towards an unjust, corrupt and fickle world.... it's NATURAL for a freaking high-schooler or middle-schooler to want to go into school the next day and SLAUGHTER innocents before turning to the gun on himself........ this is what natural looks like.

What's this veil of "NATURAL" that we fucking hide behind every time an urge to do something strikes us? It's natural!!!! FUCK YOU! If you think the human being is perfect and we've figured ourselves out... maaaaaaan you have something else coming. Just because you live in a sheltered, protected, and manicured environment where people talk about their feelings, therapy is available, shopping is accessible, food is always served, and you don't actually have to THINK about survival but rather have so many paths on how to LIVE instead of survive... that's when we can go ahead, oblivious to what LIFE IS TRULY LIKE for half of the world living on LESS THAN A DOLLAR A DAY. We are not saints by any regard, don't make us out to be worse than what we need to be.

Man, I'm out, I'm done for now... it's starts to become like arguing with walls at a certain point, you realize what you're doing!

 

Motwol,
what Caleb is saying is that he is 65 yo and has been looking at smut most of his adult life. He sticks to vids or photos of naked men and has never been interested in anything more extreme. There is no "slippery slope" that leads to bestiality, pederasty, or rape, at least, not for mentally healthy people.

 

Dinga, I get that... and kudos to anyone who's struck a balance - I guess ignorance is bliss and I for one, will never be satisfied by mere satisfaction. Our definition of health. Our understanding of what it is to be human. It's all different and I'm just saying my deal, that's all - read it, shit on it, or applaud it, I don't mind but definitely consider it. I'm not going too far out when I lay down the truth - inspire victory, greatness and a sense of transcending our limitations. For those that are sleeping, good night, sweet dreams and don't let the bed bugs bite.

 

precisely why it's so arduous to go from being a mediocre mind... to a great one. Battle w/ myself. Smh.

 

http://imgur.com/gallery/U7kq9
http://www.dailystormer.com/former-pornstar-writes-open-letter-to-porn-viewers/

If I was the man I dreamed of being, I would never ever even engage you. But I am still work in progress, I haven't figured life out like you have Murdock. And my self-destructive habits of trying to show false cowards in a safe, satisfied and secure mindset, a world beyond your pinhole-sized perspective towards sexuality. I am not sex negative... i would never be here if that was true. I absolutely LOVE sex and I think herein we have an energy that need not be debased to 2D when it has the possibility to open horizons if you let it. I am a dreamer, optimist and philosopher and you are living in your murky pseudo-rationalist, "realistic" and slave-mindset and that's fine. Who are you to me ? And I to you? I don't care about you, that's the truth. When I got heated up in my above posts, I thought I approached you like a reasonable human being (I cared for you) thinking tough love ought to rattle you awake from your lethargic viewpoints on something that has the potential of being incredible. Yes I am young at 22, but I've no doubt experienced and delved far deeper into the abyss of the human condition than I take you even have the capacity to know that such a place even exists.

Sure, I am judgmental - I was just as much a sympathizer as you not so long ago. Age doesn't mean you matured - it just means that you're closer to death than I am and by the looks of it, still farther from really growing up than I am at my "inexperienced" age. If you just step outside your "hurt sentiments - which are irrational by the way" and acknowledge the CONTENT of my message rather than its delivery, you may find something of value but I doubt it. You go on about the golden mean and the middle path, everything in moderation. Sure, if you want to be a dilettante and not achieve anything substantial, that's FINE by me. Just don't come on here with your hidden inward guilt, shame and jealousy and pretend that WE, who actually WANT something from this life and ASPIRE TO BE BETTER people are trying to force OUR views on you. No... it's your own lack of character, resolve and spirit in life that fails you. You can dream but I know you don't, b/c you're satisfied with being mediocre. I'm sorry but I am not. And to people like you, I am GLAD I look to be conceited... if you don't have opposition in this life, it means you're going nowhere. Stagnation to me, is worse than destruction. I struggle with it Murdock. At times I feel like I'd rather obliterate the part of me that thought PMO was such a good idea. And other times, I feel like just collapsing under my own weight and empathizing with other addicts, like you do... sure, one more time won't hurt. It's natural. Sad thing is... there's nothing I or anyone can do to make you realize that you are an incredible human being capable of bending the skies to your will if you just try... but no, you just won't listen. And so, you're not worth more of my time, goodbye.

 

Caleb, the military adds saltpeter (potassium nitrate, one of the key ingredients in gun powder) to the food at Basic Training. The purpose is to keep recruits from getting erections. At least, this is what I have read and have been told by friends who went into the military, but I have not verified this. Not taht the extreme stress and hardship of basic training could't do the same thing. There are plenty of otherchemicals and herbs that have the same effect. Opiates are very effective. So is kratom (legal in most countries).

Motwol, I found this site after reading about in in the NYTimes today. The write-up was bizarre, just as many Times articles have been in the last few years, but it was also intriguing because I went through a phase where i tried total abstinence when I was in my early teens. I found that the tension had to be released and would come out whether I did it myself (wank or with a partner when I was lucky) or it was in my sleep. I prefered to do it myslef so I didnt have to wash my sheets nearly every night.

The kid I was tellling you about, let's call him D, tried the total abstinence and ended up suiciding because of it, IMO. Like you, D would alternate between angry statements in which he condemned porn and people who looked at it. Then he would switch and try to help people and improve himself. So what I am reading here tells me that soem people are trying to violate the laws of nature.

I don't know your background, but if you are compelled to wank many times each day, this is a medical condition. Anybody who does should seek professional help and address the underlying cause. Depression and low dopamine levels are thought to be a potential cause of compulsive masturbation. Orgasm releases dopamine and other 'happy chemicals' into the pleasure centers of the brain, Depressed people might seek to ease their depression by in this way, fapping 15 - 20 times per day if possible.

whynotstop: Caleb's problem is his weight, not porn. He uses porn because he has trouble finding a partner because of his weight and he is lonely. Also, fapping is better than getting a girl pregnant or getting a disease, especially at 16. An unwanted pregnancy at your age is a terrific way to ruin not only your life but the girl's and the baby's future.

Caleb: are you familiar with "bears?" That's all the rage right now.