Healthy masturbation?

So in another post I briefly touched upon this topic and I wanted to get some oppinions on the matter.
I usually state that I do not condem nor dislike masturbation.
However, we all here can clearly agree that there are unhealthy levels of doing so.
Theres a ton of reports here backing this up.

A note in advance, while Models is a book on getting women,
No More Mister Nice Guy is more of a general book on male health.
Edit: And, since I actually forgot to say this,
I realize this is a touchy subject as we all are here because we used masturbation in a unhealthy manner. This is not meant to be a guide or anything, just asking for oppinions on this.

Now, I've read "Models" by Mark Manson and "No more Mister Nice Guy" by Robert Glover and while Models only shortly touches on the subject, Glovers No More Mister Nice Guy has the following, interessting insight (at least to what I think) on this matter. Healthy Masturbation is definded like this:
(...) is a process of letting sexual energy unfold. It has no goal, or destination. It's not just about orgasm. It does not require outside stimulation from pornography.
He also includes fantasy to this (like imagining yourself doing a pornstar or simply thinking of a porn movie).

He includes it into his plan as an activity, described as follows:
Set aside a time for healthy masturbation. (...) Practice by looking at yourself and touching yourself without using pornography or your fantasy. Pay attention to how it feels to experience your sexuality without any goals (such as having an orgasm).
Also, observe any tendancy to distract yourself from what you are experiencing (going into fantasy, becoming goal-oriented, distracting thoughts, loss of physical sensation)

Models agrees on all of these things (mostly no pornography or other outside stimuly) adds to this to use lube and only go very softly on yourself, giving in to the sensation (...). Again, if you masturbate, be with yourself, not jacking it to some stuff.

Glover also states that some of his patients were compulsive masturbators, and he also used a Reboot, followed by this for their recovery.
Glover says that this usually keeps his patients from masturbation becoming a compulsive behavior while Manson (Models) adds a timeframe of not more than once a week, and only if you feel like it, never for release of stress or anything (so no touchy touchy while stressed!)

Anyone any experiences on this subject?

 

Wow that a terrible video. This all could have been said in half the time and a lot less "preachery".
However, I have problems with what he says. Funnily he mentions he got a GF after his year and not said anything about that.
What is now? Is he out of energy again since now he's intimate with her?
Why would being intimate with a women be different?

Next thing that bugs me. I try not to use youtube as a source of information. (Just check on the topic of 76 or whatnot genders and using one pronouns and you can understand why)
I don't say that all of them are wrong. it's just that they (especially this guy) preach like a pastor in church about their oppinion.
I watched the the thing but that is neither a discussion nor a input on my topic.

I do however get your point, googleing "sexual transmutation and semen retention benefits" . Funnily, google searching semen retention yields this is the second result.
But, discussing this is something I wanted to do here.

 

Hey loyal, don't worry definetly will!
I also thought I said it that we here are here because of the very reason that it becomes compulsive. (If not I will immediatly add it)

I most curious on oppinions or a discussion, but you already bring good points to the table (also did Shang-Chi)

Edit: Crap, I actually forgot to say it.

 

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Of course he has a website selling 1 to 1 sessions for 350/hour.

I did say I get your point! ^^
I just don't like the way the guy in the video presents his stuff, but that is just my personal oppinion.
I am, however, not a very faithful or spiritual person. I clearly side with science and logic, and while it is not wrong what he says, it is not backed up in any way (except his personal experience. no studies or anything).

 

I've been thinking a lot since yesterday and interestingly, we actually share some conclussions!
Mainly, I need to take into account that there is a differnce in addictions.
Yes, some are porn but some are also masturbation, which is something I did not do. I realize that now.
Apart from that it is also a lot of me being curious as to what comes next after the reboot.

On that topic I started another thread in the reboot section.
For me personally I'd close this thread now, as I realize that I made mistakes and that my question was not even clear to myself.

 

What advices, those from the books?
I find them interessting as they basically say that after the reboot you can reintroduce your brain to MO (but not porn) and still live a happy life.

One can also say that no one way of dealing with a problem such as PMOing is flawless. Every person is different, some are just porn-addicted and for others, the cure to this is not doing nofap but something else alltogether.
To me from what I gathered, nofap is a stepping stone to fixing yourself. If PMO is the problem your set when beginning (and of course sticking with it). If something else is the problem you may get the boost in motivation or the starting point for fixing that as well.

 

Ahh a very good question indeed.
One I'll answer after the 90 days the earliest, maybe a few more.
I do see the benefits I have so far from not MO and the last 11 weeks flew by so quickly since I was mostly busy. So once I done the 90,
I'll give that a thorough thought and reevaluate the situation. Since everyone says 90 is a magic number I want to at least wait until then, though I'm not sure wether there are other "new" benefits or I just keep those I have.

 

That is definetly one of the hugest benefits of not masturbating.

 

Wow, very well said.
Very insightful, especially in regards to yourself. Thanks for sharing.