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Why is today society a sex culture???

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Sakhi, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. Sakhi

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    Hello guys. I see every where and on tv or magazing or outside. Porn and masturbation is increasing. Why the governments promote porn industries and make people always release and jerk off to be weak. Why the get use lose our life force? Medical sites tell use that masturbation is a normal thing?? Today porn has damaged the world. What u think guys????
     
  2. sparkywantsnoPMO

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    Some of it may be continued fight back from the perceived “sexual repression” prior to the sexual revolution.

    As for government promotion, I’m sure it comes down to lobbying and tax revenue.

    Note that porn and masturbation are two separate issues. I’m not in the pro M camp, but it’s helpful to separate the two; as it allows developing science to remain isolated. For instance, there is more science supporting porn being detrimental, where as masturbation research is more positive. A person equating the two issues can have their porn case shot down with M research.

    Ultimately, M may become more of a moral issue, which means it just needs to get handled in a different way.
     
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  3. Alex L

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    It's because porn sells. The market for pornography is huge, especially for women.
     
  4. Sakhi

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    Well man..
    There is so much negative research about masturbation. I have alot of information to share with you...
     
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  5. The_Monk

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    Everything related to sex is a money maker in this today's world..people crave porn as we used to do..money making with something natural is a very bad sin and that's why our today's world is having many problems..
     
  6. sparkywantsnoPMO

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    As I said, I am for ending M. But M seems to have more positive backing on it. I’m not saying the fight should not be had, it should; but let’s fight the two topics separately so that they’re not dependent on each other. I will gladly take an end to pornogrpahy even if that means masturbation is around for a while longer. M has been debated for thousands of years. Pornography as it exists today is new. It’s probably easier to stop that which does not have deep roots.
     
  7. This comes from pre-high-speed-internet-pornography times.
    When it is coupled with porn use, that is where it becomes problematic.

    I have probably masturbated like 5 times in my whole life without porn. I don´t know how to do it. And I also have no drive to do it.
    In my brain those two are forever coupled. I can not have one without the other.
    That is the problem with masturbation.
     
  8. Sakhi

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    What you mean by that?
     
  9. Before every household and mobile phone had a high speed internet connection, you actually had to leave the house and buy pornography. For money.
    There were far less people, who used pornography, because of the stigma attached to it. Nobody wants to be seen buying a pornographic magazine or video casette. You also didn´t have this infinite choice, because it actually costs money, and you can not possibly buy all pornography.
    With high speed internet, everybody has access to infinite amounts of porn in the click of a button, in the privacy of his own home, for free.
    This is what changed the game.
    And this development was not taken into account, when doctors said masturbation is good for you. Because it is, when you do it without porn and maybe every other week or so.
    Masturbation for multiple times a day is not. Whether this happens with porn use or not. But there were only very few people, who had this problem, before high speed internet pornography.
     
  10. Nucleus

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    Post modernism is the culprit. It's like a computer virus that gets installed at an early age... hence the need for a full reboot. You need to have a moral/ethical reality to aim at. Perhaps Christianity is your thing or a Aristotlean concept of "the good" or old fashioned manliness and respect for women... whatever works for you.

    Post modernism tells us all is equally good and there is no reality to concepts of right and wrong. Our society is sick because of it. The solution is to name the demon that has taken hold of you. It's name is "porn addiction" to us. Move away from it but also move towards a higher ideal.

    Coaching helps by the way. I am a coach myself. I turned to a colleague and he has helped a lot. Positive goals are the way.
     
  11. Buzz Lightyear

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    The mass acceptance of Freud's thought has done a lot of damage. It has led people to think of sexual desire in terms of sexual need. Notice a sexual desire can be controlled, but a sexual need is a need.. like food and shelter etc.

    Freud burrowed down below the conscious person, what he termed the Ego, to uncover what he called the Id. the Id was our natural self, and the ego was just our conflict between that natural self and society, which he in turn called the super-ego. Following Marx, Freud thought that all morality and culture was arbitrary, and further, that it represented the control and repression of our natural instincts. Now think of Freud's ideas infecting the rest of the planet.

    I think there is an element of truth in Freud [the repression of sex that came with Protestant and puritan countries], but the problem comes when it is itself elevated in an ideology. Today people think it is their right to act on their sexual impulses. they see this as more fundamental [more real] than the moral constraints which would otherwise hold them back.

    We think of ourselves as liberated today, and part of that liberation is our sexuality. At the public and intellectual levels of life, the official line is we should all be out and proud about our sexuality in order to live a happy and fulfilling life. This orthodoxy will only begin to be questioned in a generation's time when the wheels start to fall off.

    So what promotes pornography?
    Pseudo-science - the real you is the biological one.
    Economics - It's great for the market and consumption...sex sells.
    Politics - No better way to control a population than dumb it down and get it addicted.
    Human nature - concupisence
     
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  12. Buzz Lightyear

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    Arguably, you could say modern science is the culprit [the world is a machine/ all nature etc]. Morals and ethics were well and truly relativized in the peak of the modern period.... you didn't need 'post-modernity' for that. It's just that there was a bit of a time lag for the wider culture to catch up.

    And if modern science is the culprit, then perhaps 'post-modernism', which is essentially a criticism of objective science, may be a help in undermining it... bent to the right will of course. I mean, it might serve to open up imaginative spaces whereby mind can once again conceive of other modes of being [and becoming] as represented by the past.
     
  13. Kyostaa

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    Sex, suggestiveness and porn sells. It's like sugar. Or drugs. Anything that the brain enjoys (as in, releasing dopamine in high quantities in a short perior of time) will always be in high demand. People just can't think of the consequences of their actions or of what they consume.

    Now that we have so much sexual freedom, as in, women and homossexual have (in some places and conditions) started to express themselves, sexually, regardless of oppressive views (mostly from men), then sex becomes vain and industrialized. It could be different, but it isn't.

    And, wherever there is a demand, most likely there will be a supply. It's not a bad thing, necessarily, it's just how things work. The bad part is when such supply has so many negative consequences
     
  14. I will say what already many have mentioned earlier. Pornography, as well as anything else that has to do with sex, is sold a lot and in an easy way. We see it almost everywhere and it is not necessarily limited to pornography.

    If we talk about pornography, it is not surprising that many people find the idea very attractive. They pay you with money in exchange for engaging in sexual acts. Some make this garbage for "own enjoyment", but money is the main factor. Indistinctly ... the effect it causes is the one we all know here ...

    But I think the main problem is the same people. Pornography exists because there are people who consume it. Sex attracts us by nature and these people take advantage to make profit from it, creating a new generation of people with a very distorted concept on the subject of sexuality.
     
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  15. Nucleus

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    The post modern is, of course, moral relativism par excellence. Its constantly rammed down our throats that all kinds of sexual obsession in, not only normal, but TO BE CELEBRATED. this is pure lunacy. Science seems to show a mechanical universe but the interpretation of the universe as a nihilistic flux is the plaything of the likes of Derrida and his buddies.

    Nietzsche warned of the dangers of nihilism long ago with his dire proclamation that "God is dead and we killed him" He then went on to say that without a solid ethical base, mankind is surely lost as we spiral into the pit of mere hedonism.

    Nowadays we are forced to accept that cross gender, gay, pansexual (whatever that means) are actually better than being the dreaded cisgender heterosexual. People wear their sexual preferences as a badge of honor... unless it's just being a cisgender hetero, in which case you are a privileged opressor or something.

    Nihilism, the post modernism age... it's a very deep, very dark pit.
     
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    Of course you are right. Man is interested in sex but society used to HELP you to put a cap on it... to control it. No more.
     
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  17. Themadfapper

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    I'm sure the internet hasn't helped in regards to porn addiction, but it was already there. When I was a kid nearly every other boy had a masturbation problem. A teen spending his summer in his room horribly depressed jacking off all day long. There were porno magazines and very obscene ones as well. Society being sexualized has been all over the place for a long time in music, tv, magazines, taught in school, etc.

    The sex shops and wankatoriums were doing great business with glass eyed junkie looking types constantly going in and out. But it wasn't just in the city so many people had horrible porn habits with the movies and magazines. The majority of people walked boldly into sex shops or rented porn at the video store [ which also carried porn in the xxx section] without blushing. The wankatoriums had some hard core junkies [ the glass eyed type] but when you see them they just finished having a wank so they look a bit off, lol.
     
  18. One thing I am interested in which doesn't often get talked about is the influence of pornography and criminal behaviour since I'm sure those people who over stepped the line with regards to sex offences were also heavy porn users or lead hedonistic lifestyles, of course many do seem to keep within the boundaries of the law but i'm sure there is a common thread with those who break it. I think one of the problems with the over commercialisation of porn today is the way in which it starts to erode the barriers of what is and isn't acceptable or healthy in a fair and just society, you just have to see some of the most common searches on google related to porn which are often preluded with the word 'teen' and we also now have the emergence of
    child sex dolls
    from Japan which sets a very worrying precedent of things to come, when we start to 'normalise' those things which were not just taboo but also highly illegal and very harmful we stop being liberated as a people and move towards chaos.
     
  19. Buzz Lightyear

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    I think something has gone wrong with the old distinction liberalism settled on between the private and the public.

    Morality was henceforth to be considered a private affair, and the public arena was to be a free and competitive space... though dominated by technology and economics. This worked for a while, but it now seems to be breaking down. Perhaps it never really worked though, for we could always be virtuous in public, whilst debauched in private [a hypocrisy of sorts].

    The problem with today, is that 'private' morality [a concern for the good, excellent, unity etc] has all but collapsed.... and a majority today actually advocate egoistic worldviews, yet egoism was supposed to belong to the public sphere. The public space [ideological in nature] has eaten up the private space.... and it is this private space that should be idiosyncratic, self-determining, free and critical of the public space.

    Why is today a sex culture? Because the mass has effectively been lobotomized by a facile ideology. Mass politics is no longer capable of any meaningful resistance and reform. Unless our democracies summon up any reserves they have, still interested in preserving a decent society, then all we have to look forward to is a continued process of decay.
     
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  20. I think it's interesting what you say about being 'virtuous in public whilst debauched in private' so many people have fallen for the illusion that their privacy can be secured on the internet only to find out what is most private often becomes most public, sometimes that privacy needs to be broken down, in my case for example, it wasn't until i was arrested that I realised my actions would have far reaching consequences and thus the illusion of anonymiy was smashed over night, which I add is a good thing for me since it's helped me to become a better person despite all the pain. But people often do live double lives these days, one in public view and another in a pseudo private sphere. For example these 'secret encounters' dating websites promoting extra marital affairs etc. There are people who may be open about their porn use to others, yet on the other hand they wouldn't put as a hobby or interest on their CV to an empoloyer 'i'm an avid porn watcher' so how liberated is society really? there is a hypocrisy and it's a confusing world to navigate sometimes
     

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