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Retiring toward vanilla sex

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by newm32017, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. newm32017

    newm32017 New Fapstronaut

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    hi all,
    I have been doing nofap since beggibibg of this year with some relapses but overall I think I am over my PMO addiction as I can control myself well now.

    My problem is that I used to mastrubate to foot fetish, BDSM, and Findom materials as long as I can remember and it is the only thing that gets me off as I believe it’s in my subconscious mind due to all those years mastrubating to them and imagining them.

    How can I reword my brain toward vanilla sex?
    The reason I ask is that this year I tried to have intercourse with no success as I can’t get my libido to work with a vanilla sex and can’t get a decent erection and sustain it.

    So my question is, would it work if I start watching vanilla sex and edge over it without mastrubating as this might reprogram my brain and rewire it to be normal and get aroused by regular body parts and vanilla sex ?

    I know the subconscious mind is a powerful tool and even though we can’t change it completely but we can train it toward somethings with imagination and convincing.
    Anyone tried this ? I think due all those years I have been fapping and edging over foot fetish and bdsm materials, they are deeply embedded in my subconscious mind and I need to do something to add new desire or rewire more than just staying away from those materials as staying away from those materials will clear my brain but how would it make me love and get aroused by vanilla sex if I never tried to edge over it or think about it ?


    Thanks for your feedback
     
  2. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    No - very bad idea. Quit PMO for good. You have invested time rewiring your brain to get off porn, don't undo the good work now. Edging is particularly bad and would quickly get you back to square one.

    Are you in a relationship now? Were you always attracted to feet and dominant/alpha women/girls even before you were exposed to porn?

    ANH
     
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  3. newm32017

    newm32017 New Fapstronaut

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    Yes I am in relationship now. I have always been attracted to feet but hardcore domination, bdsm, findom and extreme fetishes such as cockold started after I was exposed to the internet and videos

    I know that the subconscious mind can be manipulated through repetition and imagination, and this is why all those fetishes are hardwired in my subconscious mind as I have been watching and tapping to those videos as far as I can remember.

    I believe I solved this issue as I can control myself now and stay away from those materials and from mastrubating or even thinking about them but how can I rewire my subconscious mind and brain toward vanilla sex ?
     
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  4. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Just forget about what is between your legs for a while. Focus exclusively on your partner. Putting a woman first should come naturally to you given your femdom leanings. Enjoy getting to know every inch of her body and all the things you can do to bring her pleasure with your mouth and hands. Have sessions where you take your O off the table completely and only she gets to O. If you have also quit M completely, that should get your libido working again.
     
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  5. newm32017

    newm32017 New Fapstronaut

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    That’s a good advice that I will try. I am sure things will end up working out for me and I have that mind set. I’m just worried about her as she might not understand what I’m going through and think it’s eother because of her or that I have a permenant problem.
    I will try my best to make things work without ever watching porn by giving her orgasim even without penetration until I get back on track and be ready and aroused by regular vanilla sex.
    I quit watching porn and mastrubating but I M couple of times like 2-3 weeks ago without watching P (but still I fantasized about my fetoshes but that was for like 2 times or 3 and then got back on track.

    One question I have... after my last M I feel like I got into flatline again... is it normal to get into flatline every now and then ? But now I feel better as morning wood is starting to get back to me slightly
     
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  6. newm32017

    newm32017 New Fapstronaut

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    I forgot to mention before my last M relapsed I did edge on my fantasy for a bit so maybe that explain the flatline ?

    Also during the sex session I had with my partner which failed I was trying to get myself hard thinking about my fetish so maybe that explain why I couldn’t sustain my erection.

    It’s a constant struggle but I’m so thankful to this community as right now I am waaaaay better than I was before I started as I was a slave to my fetishes where I would stay home every day doing nothing but watching videos, doing skype and chat with dommes
     
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  7. I had a tights/yoga pants fetish and as I got focused on PMO it degenerated into transgendered person then gay stuff to the point I thought I might be gay- I did three 90+ day reboots, had some slips but after a year on this site I finally have vanilla fantasies and desires- and I did something similar to this - I don't have a GF but my fantasies/day dreaming I started to think about a woman in real life I was attracted to (and am pursuing) in this way and it's helped enormously.
     
  8. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Hi @newm32017

    I can speak with some authority on this as I had been a PA for years and Femdom has always been the major fetish for me, along with related things such as foot fetishism and cuckold. Before I decided to quit, I was spending hours a day on this stuff and most of it involved edging which really screws up the brain. I was also starting to get PIED and hence letting my wife down.

    So 101 days ago, I was where you are now. I quit PMO completely and have not relapsed even once. The critical decision for me was that not only was I going to quit porn, but also masturbation. I decided that I was only going to O with my wife. I have stuck to that decision and it has made all the difference. The PIED has gone and my wife and are having the best sex we have had for years. I also feel much more focussed on her outside the bedroom and I feel better all round - a better man, a better lover, a better husband.

    So what about fetish v vanilla? For me, Femdom is pretty hard-wired into my psyche and I was aroused by assertive girls way before I was exposed to porn - I can trace it back to before puberty, when I was 10 years old or maybe even younger. So I accept that this is just who I am, and that Femdom is likely always to be a turn on for me. Porn certainly reinforced it and made it an unhealthy pre-occupation, but it didn't create it. For me, not having porn in my life has increased my desire for my wife. PIED started getting better in a month or so and now appears to have gone completely. It really helped me to follow the advice I gave you - focus on your partner for a while, find out all the things she enjoys most that don't involve PIV. If you know each other well enough, then you can explain why you are doing it, or if you don't, then you can turn it into a game - no O's for you until November, or until she's had 10 or whatever. Personally, I love giving oral. If she is into receiving it, tell her you'd like her to teach you exactly how she likes it so you can make it as good as possible for her. Once you have been PMO free for a month, and haven't had an O for a week I would be amazed if going down on her does not restore a healthy erection.

    Just one other piece of advice. Set up the tracker that people have in the footer of their messages. That simple number, clicking up day by day is a surprisingly good motivator.

    The very best of luck to you. I am sure you will succeed just as I have done.
    ANH
     
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  9. Casper0n

    Casper0n Fapstronaut

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    I suggest entirely giving up M. When you M to your fetish fantasies, you might as well be viewing fetish P as you are reinforcing what you're trying to re-wire away from.

    It sounds like your foot fetish may be natural and the other stuff (BDSM, etc.) are conditioned fetishes that developed through P abuse. With a hard reboot you will likely see the conditioned stuff fade, but you might want to consider that if your foot fetish is indeed natural, it will likely always be a part of you. I have a few fetishes and/or kinks myself (feet, tights, macrophilia). Long into my reboot, I am still trying to figure out what's natural and what likely developed out of 20 years of P use.

    About 60 days into my reboot, I started getting flashes of vanilla fantasy with real people. My hunch (and hope) is that by distancing myself from my fetish material, I am developing other sexual interests that are more conducive to mutual pleasure with a partner. I have accepted that some of my natural fetishes will always be a reliable turn on for me, but with a hard reboot and distance from fetish P, I will hopefully be able to set them aside and enjoy mutual vanilla pleasure with my partner.

    I can also relate to the challenge you have related to triggers. They're everywhere for us, as it's almost impossible to walk down the street and not see a woman with nice feet. I wish I had a good strategy to avoid these triggers, but I don't. You should definitely stay away from edging with these fantasies and think about something else until urges subside. Take up some new hobbies or enhance old ones. Replace some of your P habits with constructive ones. I think deep into your reboot you will have an easier time getting aroused at the vanilla stuff.
     
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  10. Casper0n

    Casper0n Fapstronaut

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    Ha! @anewhope hit a lot of key points I was trying to address, while I was typing. I agree with him 100%
     
  11. LetItGo72

    LetItGo72 Fapstronaut

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    I can really relate to your post... I'm in pretty much the same situation. I'm not sure if this is the same for you though, but my wife also got heavily into BDSM with me. She even started to watch P with me. We'd start sessions by watching videos of real strong BDSM and then act out. Since my last PMO though we have not viewed anything (I haven't felt the need to tell her about my PA - and she hasn't questioned about watching P together). We've also had probably the best vanilla sex ever together (in my mind anyway!).

    The other night though I did start to spank her - but had to stop anyway as the kids were asleep in their rooms next to ours. So, I wanted to ask you... did you have BDSM sex with your wife when you were PMOing? And if so , are you continuing to bring this in to your relationship now too? I don't feel this would be a trigger for me... as when we did have BDSM sessions I was really focussing on pleasing her anyway, and not being taken away in to fantasies of the P.
     
  12. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    My wife has never been into Femdom or other forms of BDSM, so this has never been part of our lovemaking, either during my addiction or since I quit. To me, I don't think it matters what you do together as long as you are both into it and fully consenting. If it brings you both pleasure and is a way of expressing your love and desire for each other then go for it and just enjoy the fact you have great sexual compatability. But, don't watch the porn, even with your wife as it would be too easy to slip back into solo viewing. It sounds like the two of you are not short of ideas anyway and turn each other on, so you don't need the porn in any way!

    Have fun.

    ANH
     
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