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Legal Porn has gone too far!

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Millenial, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. Millenial

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    Where do they draw the line? It just amazes me what the Tube sites are showing nowadays and it gets more depraved every week.

    Incest (usually fake but still not OK)
    Actors that basically look like kids.
    Sacrilegious Porn.

    What is the point in NOT discussing this problem? - I am pretty sure that people watch this stuff BECAUSE it's more taboo... so if we talk about it sensibly it will not be taboo anymore and therefore less appealing.

    Example:
    Do I want to have sex with my own mother - NO I DO NOT!
    Do I want to watch a video of someone else doing that? Not really - but I find myself watching it anyway and feel bad afterwards... even worse - I feel I can't say to anyone: 'I watched a bunch of incest porn' - No one admits watching that (even though it's legal )... but they will admit watching other porn - for example - a 'normal' orgy.

    Legal porn messed with my head - No other Legal substance ever made me feel as bad as legal porn.... therefore I have no faith in lawmakers because they don't seem to know/care how damaging this stuff is.

    Do you agree Tube Sites/Legal Porn have gone too far?

    USE SENSIBLE LANGUAGE/DO NOT POST TRIGGERS!
     
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  2. The problems start when you get bored of that stuff then you're in real deep. It is still not a criminal offence to produce content where the performer is for example 18 years old, dressed in childrens clothes and posing in a childrens bedroom. 'Freedom of speach' i think they call it, at least in the USA anyway. Yet the people who view that stuff are just one step away from finding illegal stuff, yet the people who view stuff that is on the edges of legality will never get hauled before a judge and in effect can work in positions of trust with other children etc. Some of the narratives used on these sites are very disturbing, now I think back to the content i saw and the wording associated with it, things like
    Daddy's girl, Baby sitter, mother and step son
    all worded around 'legal' pornograpy because all the performers are 'over 18' People view this stuff because they think they are anonymous and yes because it is depraved and extreme, a far cry from your Playboy centrefolds and air brushed super models. Users don't often stop to think what the content they view says about them as a human being, before it's too late, nor do many care or even give a second thought to the lives of the individuals involved in such content because to the user they are not real human beings but objects only to be used for gratification. When one is so engrossed in the online world of pornography, empathy is rarely to be found but greed and lust is in abundance.
     
  3. Millenial

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    Totally agree - excellent post.

    I think someone viewing illegal porn knows they have crossed the line - but how does someone viewing legal porn know?

    Laws around porn are a complete joke.
     
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  4. David Q

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    It's true. I see a lot of stuff in a normal category then the story turns about to be incest or step brother/sister. It's disgusting. But you got to think how perverted the people producing this stuff must be.
     
  5. but it's a very blurry line these days. Unfortunately i've grown up with porn on the internet as I was a teenager in the first generation of people who had access to affordable internet back in the early 2000's and i can tell you the content has evolved (or should i say devolved) into more violent themes and more taboo subjects. Is it really a case of there is a demand so the pornographers produce it, or is it simply the conjourings of some warped porn producers imagination which then captures the imaginations of other users, thus a demand is created. There is a term in the marketing world which goes 'People want what you tell them they want' the people who are most susceptable to extreme content are children who live a big portion of their lives online, for them if they are not media literate they can and will take cues from this content as being 'the norm' of course we know it's fantasy and staged for the most part but a 12 or 13 year old stumbling accross this kind of thing might be confused and not understand. Desensitisation is a real issue with online porn because of the speed of access, the anonymity and the volume of different content, i know of other people including myself who progressed onto illegal content after spending years viewing hardcore but 'legal' material, that's not to say it excuses one from getting into that stuff but it is a common issue with a notable pattern which i believe needs to be researched more in order to protect victims and protect consumers from themselves.
     
  6. PasterofMuppets

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    Yeah. The fact alone that you can just go on Google, search "porn" and get accessible results is crazy.
    The sad thing is that it IS freedom of speech after all.
    Exactly. We are what we eat.
     
  7. Millenial

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    I agree it's not up to me, but who is deciding what is OK and what is not?
    Much of the legal stuff is basically sick by most people's standards.

    Even people that like porn and talk about it openly do not say: ' I like incest porn'... ( even though it's legal and so it's 'OK' )... but they will admit to watching say... orgies - So some legal porn is basically 'taboo' just like illegal porn.

    The Tube sites are basically sexualising everything. Some of these categories are just plain disturbing.

    I have watched a lot of legal porn and much of it I believe should be illegal. No other legal substance ever made me feel so disgusted or disturbed in my life.
     
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  8. @Millenial such is the nature of the internet these days, anonymity or percieved anonymity i feel can often make people believe they can do things they otherwise wouldn't do in analogue real life, yet the internet is real life, just on a two dimensional screen. I'm glad that you question the legal stuff because i never did when i was in the throws of my habbit/addiction until it was too late. I often say to people if they are so happy to watch porn why don't they put it as a 'hobby or interest' on their CV to any potential employers?, that stumps most people, because deep down we know it's a vice and morally questionable, there are those who think lack of sexual freedom is the problem and those who think too much freedom is the problem, but we are getting to the point these days where this sexual freedom or so called liberation is coming at a heavy cost to peoples emotional and mental well being. Getting over ones ego is a big hurdle i think. people don't like to admit they were wrong, I was wrong about my beliefs on porn and i admit that. I have to keep a somewhat closed mind these days with internet porn, it's a no go area for me because I know myself and i accept that I have addictive and compulsive tendencies but I can choose where to direct them today.
     
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  9. Millenial

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    Agreed. I hate the way porn is 'OK but not OK' - it seems to be almost unique in that way... I believe I can quit it successfully but even then - I'd still be living in a world where huge numbers of people are watching porn. Though I'm glad a few people here share our views : )
     
  10. the trouble is, normal p gets less and less exiting.
     
  11. MadmanWithAFez

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    First off, as bad as porn is, it should be legal. Prohibition doesn't seem to work, the amount of people doing illegal drugs at my school is sufficient to prove that. As for whether certain types of porn should be illegal, I don't think any form of porn should be illegal, unless the law is broken in doing so. The issue is, who keeps the law on the internet? I could easily (maybe not that easily) access a site from a far-off country with all sorts of stuff that would be illegal here in the UK. I personally don't think the government have any business looking into what we do on the internet, it infringes on our liberty. I can understand when they do it to counter terrorism, but that doesn't mean I agree with it, and having the government decided what I can/cannot look at online I feel is beyond their jurisdiction. You've also got to consider what they would have to put into maintaining any law. If they banned porn full stop, how much would they have to spend on blocking porn sites from other countries, detaining and punishing people found watching porn etc. It would be much more logical to spend that money on schemes like nofap, to promote abstinence and educate people about P&M.

    I feel like I rushed this post, feel free to pick apart and disagree with any of my arguments lol.
     
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  12. And what about when the person viewing content is infringing on the liberty of others, such as illegal porn? i'd say that is the governments business. Or if the user is posting content without both parties consent, such as with revenge porn. All this stuff needs policing because there is a victim at the end of it who might be too affraid to come forward. The internet should not be a hiding place for criminals. Lets say for example you had a daughter and her teacher viewed teen porn with actors in it that dressed in childrens clothes who were filmed in a young girls bedroom, technically because the actor is over 18 it is legal, but as a father how comfortable would you be leaving your daugher alone with that teacher? I think that whilst freedom of expression and speech is important it should not be at the cost of other peoples safety. I think if the government in the UK pass laws to record every website visited by its citizens for a year then there would be a realisation or wake up call as to what really goes on in the minds of people who view internet porn and therefore we would be better able to prevent crimes from happening. In practice though I imagine it's a very difficult task to undertake
     
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  13. Eviledging

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    People who watch these things will do so by somehow tricking themselves that as long as they don’t do this or view that then it’s ok...I remember the big non nude underage girl “modeling” craze about 15 years ago. 100s of websites dedicated to young girl “fashion” poses which had hundreds of thousands of subscribers paying 20 a month to see them pose in provacative clothes and they all justified that since it wasn’t nudeoe hardcore it was ok...those sites and their owners went to prison as did some that subscribed
     
  14. I dont really know if i have ever viewed underage porn. Just used the commercial popular websites. If they had underage on there they would be in trouble with the law and it would be removed right? F
     
  15. Eviledging

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    Im sure there are articles out there if u search, I also know of mainstream news reports that were done and several agencies busted...mind u this was not nudity websites but non nude websites
     
  16. Until fairly recently they were only removed if someone reported it, the issue being that the people who access it aren't the kind of people that would want to report it! It is only since 2013 that the Internet Watch Foundation have been given the legal right to actively search for this kind of content. Much of it is hosted abroad where there isn't a law against it. I think something like less than 0.5% of underage content is hosted in the UK. On the mainstream sites it would be extremely unlikely you would find that kind of stuff. However! I have found this stuff before by following links from tube sites, since each link takes you to a different site. Ever wondered why websites state they cannot be held responsible for the content hosted on websites they link to? it's almost always in the small print.
     
  17. I don't know how old you are or how much you understand about internet porn yet but unfortunately underage content is a very very big problem on the internet, a lot of it is masqueraded as 'modelling' or fashion or even art but its got about as much to do with art as Hitler has to do with democracy. I read somewhere that at any one time there are up to 500,000 people a day searching for illegal underage content globally. Police forces have said before that every time they arrest someone related to this type of crime they are only barely scratching the surface since you can arrest as many consumers as you like but the sites keep popping up time and time again. The people who actually 'produce' the content hide in different countries protected by their own countries lack of understanding, resources and lack of law enforcement. Progress is being made to try and stem the prolification of this content in the form of something called hash tagging, each image siezed is associated a unique identifier and traced on the internet, since once an image is uploaded it can basically end up anywhere, this helps to track users and stop them from viewing it and hopefully get psychiatric help and also make them realise the consequences of their actions, the other benefit is i think it helps them to better trace the hosts of the content and limit the spread of each image. In my county alone 4 people a week are arrested for downloading illegal porn, i know because i've spoken to people who deal with this stuff on a daily basis. At the end of the day if you go out looking for trouble, you'll find it.
     
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  18. I had wondered if I had ever seen underage. Some do look young but obviously they dont post the ages or true ages so just hard to tell. I have heard there are other sites on the "dark web" but never went there.
     
  19. Don't even think about going on the dark web, it's called that for a reason and in my opinion nobody has any real justification for needing to use a web client that hides their activity to access sites that can't be found through search engines. People still get caught. One issue which isn't porn related is terrorism, the dark web was invented by mathematicians at the Naval Research Laboratory, began working on the concept of “onion routing” in 1995. Their research soon developed into The Onion Router project, better known as Tor, in 1997 but it ended up being made available to the public and gave rise to things like the silk road, it's like a wild west of the internet which lures in the foolishly curious, and those with stuff to hide. The only legitimate use for it would be for oppressed populations in countries where they operate under dictatorships which limits their contact with the outside world. It could be used as a tool for good but like the regular internet it's also used as a tool for crime.
     
  20. MadmanWithAFez

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    What do you mean by illegal porn though? The whole topic of this discussion is where should the line between legal and illegal porn be drawn. What you describe there, posting content without both parties consent, breaks the law, and as I said my view is that any porn that requires one to break the law in order to produce, whether it be rape, bestiality, child abuse etc, that should definitely be illegal. But that stuff is illegal, whether you film it or not, if that makes sense. In those cases it's not so much about policing the fact they've made this video, it's the fact that they've committed the act in the first place, in my opinion. I do agree that the internet shouldn't be a hiding place for criminals, but sacrificing the privacy of everybody by letting the government access whatever they want (although no doubt some government organisations probably can), is a step too far.
    With the example of the teacher, he isn't breaking the law in any way, so he shouldn't be punished. I don't have a daughter myself, being only 17, so I guess my view is likely to be different to that of an actual father. However, if that teacher has those legal tastes in pornography, then so long as that doesn't translate to him doing anything to my daughter, it's none of my business. Would I leave my daughter alone with him, possibly not if I didn't trust him, but that doesn't mean he should be fired or punished for what he's done, as if it were illegal. However, I'm not infringing on his freedom of speech or freedom of thought by refusing to leave my daughter with him.
    As for the government being able to see what I do - No! What business do the government have looking through what I browse, what my tastes are, what I fap to (Not that they'd find anything in the past 65 days). It would be a gross invasion of privacy, to which the government have no right to. If they felt it absolutely necessary, I would say at least put it to a referendum, else I'm sure the uproar would be tremendous. For what they'd gain, it simply wouldn't be worth it.
     

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