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This argument could use a bit of clarification. Being black, female, or in a state of disability is completely beyond the control of the individual. It is simply the reality of things. If when you say there is nothing wrong with being bisexual or homosexual, and you mean there is nothing wrong with being one who experiences those desires, I agree. Having the desires are beyond your control in the same way your skin color or gender from birth is.

But if you mean being one who acts out on those desires is the same as being black, well that is a lot different. The presence of a desire doesn't give justification to act out on it. I can have murderous thoughts, or adulterous thoughts, and that is okay to be someone who has those desires. But it isn't moral to be someone who chooses to act on them, entertain them in any way, or be slothful in completely opposing them.

And there will always be commentary and differing opinions on what is proper and moral decision-making. There always should be. The suppression of that dialogue is a great injustice, like responding with violence or aggression to people who have personal judgement that certain choices or behaviors are immoral.. and especially feeling it's "justified" because they're "hateful". And in the same vein, being demeaning or cruel toward people who make different lifestyle choices than what one believes is moral is equally unjust. I think we have plenty of people on both sides of issues like these who react very poorly to them.

Agree with this. Beliefs can align with reality or they are at odds with it. And with topics of morality, spirituality, philosophy, and the like, it's not as easy as verifying with an empirical data point like if we had different opinions on what the speed of sound is. So sensitivity and mutual respect is definitely encouraged and I appreciate that you are iterating your standpoint in a respectable way.

 

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Well said. The fact remains that spreading hate and bigotry under the flag of free speech where soemone is looking for real help and empathy is so innapropriate. These forums are suppsed to be a judgement free zone where we can be honest with ourselves and others.

 

@Border to compare acting out homosexual sex to murder is just rediculous

 

This is complete nonsense.

Choosing how you express love, who you build relationships with, or who you have consensual sex with is not even remotely comparable to choosing to murder someone.

Murder creates victims (including the family and friends of the victim), sexual identity and how that manifests is nobody else's business and doesn't create victims - well apart from those who get victimised by bigoted idiots of course.

 

Did I say the actions carried the same moral connotations? I simply stated that they can both be born of desires followed by a decision to act. Thus different from things completely beyond our control.

Therefore there will always be dialogue about what kind of decisions are acceptable behavior and what type are not. And trying to suppress someone who may disagree with you by using derision is poor behavior. Within 15 minutes of my post, which uses no inflammatory language at all, my personal opinions are already being called "ridiculous" and "nonsense."

 

So do you think acting out on homosexual desires is morally wrong, and if so why?

 

I am a practicing Catholic; and we have very limited boundaries pertaining to what moral sexual behavior is, so yes. Pretty much any sexual acts outside sacramental marriage vows between a biologically born man and women with an openness to procreate is not moral in varying degrees, or at least imperfect. Birth control, any masturbation, all other sex, etc. Even then we strive to purify our intentions, not having sex solely for the sake of pleasure but as a means of expressing unity and mutual love. The theology is pretty involved and I can't say I understand it completely. But probably a PM thread would be better if anyone would like to honestly explore it.

 

Truth comes from fact not opinion or belief, it is therefore bigotted if the persons believe is prejudicial to a specific group of people.

It really, really isn't hard to understand, respect others, acknowledge they have the basic human right to live there lives how they want and move on.

 

Thanks, I just educated myself ... and in the first sentence, it claims "gender dysphoria" is synonymous with "gender identity disorder."

Of course, then there's this gem:

"GID was reclassified to gender dysphoria by the DSM-5. Some transgender people and researchers support declassification of GID because they say the diagnosis pathologizes gender variance, reinforces the binary model of gender, and can result in stigmatization of transgender individuals."

Thank God we have the DSM--the official gatekeepers of all mental health truth. The same people who won't even acknowledge sex addiction, but who will bend over backwards for political correctness.

 

Just because you feel someone is a bigot doesn't make them one. Someone who feels discriminated against may nor may not actually be a victim of discrimination. Like we've said many times before in this thread--feelings and facts aren't the same thing.

If these forums are supposed to be a place where I can "be honest with myself and others", then for me, being honest with others includes my honest thoughts about transgenderism. I can be honest about those thoughts without being judgmental--but there are some people who can't take even the slightest challenge or disagreement without considering it as a form of judgment.

 

Yes but you are generalising it to much, what you appear to be essentially saying is that if your view on transgender or gays or whatever is "that it's wrong" or something to that effect- you should be allowed to say that free of repercussion due to the right to be honest about feelings.

Why should others peoples lifestyles be challenged or disagreed with even slightly ? It's their life to live as they choose- I couldn't ever imagined getting so concerned with who another person chooses to sleep with that I compelled to call them out on it. People absolutely have the right to say, that's not for me and isn't something i would try, but to tell others they are wrong, sick, immoral or anything else is discrimination, prejudiced or whatever you want to call it and that should never be tolerated.

 

Oh and,

Someone being a bigot is based on what a person feels about them, it's based on what they say - if they are saying anything that is prejudice, discriminatory or hateful about any minority group or others peoples sexual orientation- they are a bigot pure and simple, that isn't because I feel they are one, it is because they are being one.

Just live and let live, it's not that hard- there is literally no logical or scientific empirical reason to be against same sex/ trans relationships.

 

No one called your opinions rediculous or nonsense. To compare gay sex to murder is rediculous. I did not say that you said they were the same thing.

 

The only ad hominems are because of the lack of maturity you're displaying. Please don't tell me about "facts" when you quote the bible in your signature.

 

It therefore seems reasonable that people who hold such beliefs shouldn't be allowed to hold government positions (such as police or judges or presidents)? They should even perhaps be restricted from professional positions, such as doctors and lawyers?

Should we pass laws making it illegal to say such things, being it is hate speech and that modern society has no place for it?

 

Congratulations. A little sensitive are we? Oh, and btw that comment a) wasn't addressed to you, and b) only relays the experience multiple people have had here at nofap.

 

And why is it you get to decide what is "hate and bigotry"? If someone tells the OP that homosexuality is a sin, that is neither hate or bigotry in my opinion. Is your opinion the only one that matters?
Realistically, the OP should be the one who decides, not you SJWs.

 

I didn't say the comment was aimed at me, I did presume that I was allowed to take part in the discussion going on this thread though?

I was also only offering my experience not sure how you surmised from that that I am oversensitive.