Rappers using samples

Nowadays rappers use samples from other songs. They take beats from older songs and alter them and rap over them. There's countless examples. Take a look at this song (really only need to listen to the first 10 seconds)..



Now this, newer, song.. (first 10-20 secs)



Now that's kinda crazy to me. Almost all rappers do this but they don't give creds to the other producers.

Take a look at this. If you know the rap artist/actor Drake then take a listen. This isn't right imo..



What yall think

 

What do you think of the 3rd video? He copies word from word lyrics lol

 

Yeah drake ghostwrites all the time. But people love him (at least in usa & canada).

 

I agree 100%

 

I think it is wrong, but I really could never see anything redeeming about rap in the first place.

 

Yeah, people love him in the UK too. I like some of his songs but he's definitely a faker.

I think it would be nice if rappers did acknowledge who they sample.

 

Yes, its not new

 

Sweet, seems like you listened to it enough/gave it a try to form a valid point here.

 

To be fair, however, rap is a genre that will never die because it's constantly evolving. There's so many sub-sections.

Jay Z is easily one of the top 3 rappers of all time. There's artists like him who utilize talented rhyming scheme.

When you refer to rappers sing about "dumb stuff," it's a subsection. Trap music is new movement and calling it "dumb" is ignorant. I don't like heavy metal or slipknot but I recognize that its a huge hit with people.

Back in the late 80s, early 90s rappers typically made songs that were violent. Tupac raised Biggie into the spotlight, w/o Pac biggie wouldn't have been in the game. He taught him this, "you gotta make songs for the hoes, not just for the boys. Songs for the hoes sells records." Which is 100% true.

Big poppa, juicy, changes, etc. Basically all the songs they play at clubs were by far there most popular work. But by far not their best. People nowadays wouldn't like the gangster shit they sung about killing eachother. But that's what was happening at that time and a large, large % of their songs.

 

I've listened to way more than I would have liked. Everyone in high school and college loved it.

 

Hello xander, you said your assumption may be wrong, and it is.

I'm not gonna get into this discussion bc you don't want to and I would type a 10 page, MLA format, single spaced paper on the history of hip-hop is excruciating detail.

Briefly, rap is evolving. You claim it's not bc "a guy mumbling on the mic" (trap music) is not rap. But bc you don't like it doesn't make it not rap. They are rhyming their words together if you listen to the lyrics.

I listen to a significant amount of rap/hip-hop, not to sound naive. Perhaps too much. That's the one of the few things I'm actually very knowledgeable about. I listen to alot of other music and know their histories, but rap the most.

Alot of people assume 90s is where rap began with tupac/biggie. That's not true. Early 80s with rap groups such as sugarhill gang is around the time it began (mid-70s). There's little to no violent lyrics in this stage of rap.

It changed (evolved) drastically into "gangster rap" early 90s-ish.

Then from 2000 on, it's really spreads out to different people/types of hip-hop. To give you an idea this is where Wayne was easily top 3 at this time.

You have really old school hiphop, gangster rap, and then a multitude of different sub-sections. But this is where I leave you off bc I'll be typing forever.

However, the most recent rap stage is "trap music." This is where we disagree. So in my opinion, I believe trap music is good but if you are comparing it to any other sub-section in hip-hop's history, it doesn't compare.

Now. What I mean by that is the rhyming skill / story-telling skill in "trap music" is much worse (or less advanced) than what you would consider "real rap."

You CANNOT compare this man kodak black (in the video above) to jay-z (for example). You can't claim kodak is better, you just cant.

The thing you have to understand about "trap" music is its a movement right now. If you look at college kids (me btw), they're listening to it more and more. I listen to a plethora of trap music and theres some that I would consider to be "bad music." I still recognize it's hip-hop.

To address the idolizing crime in hip-hop. First off, not all rappers sing about that. Alot of rappers nowadays just speak about smoking weed and making money. 90% of these rappers grew up in "the hood." Some of these rappers grew up in the shits, selling drugs, shooting eachother. They sing about what they know. And this was, if not more prelevant, in the 90s. Idk what you refer to as "dark side" of rap, but the 90s was the most murderous and criminal of music then any "mumble rap" as you claim.

More artists are going into the game constantly and creating their own "wave," which certain artists I can name really have their own sub-genres of rap (travis scott, kanye, etc, etc, etc).

Jay-Z was a BIG scale international drug dealer for many years and was a millionaire before he hopped on the microphone. What is he supposed to sing about it? Lmao. Rappers sing about their life, that's all they know. They don't care if people don't like it