Science based

You can start a science-based group on this forum. There are probably science-based forums of all categories, but a science-based NoFap forum, idk what to tell you friend.

 

I'm fascinated with the science of this. There's a lot going on in the nuro chemistry neurotransmitters and endorphins, hormones, and receptors.

But when a religious book says celibacy is a virtue. It's basically people who have discovered the truth without scientific studies and education. It's like they just know from experience like a lot of people who try NoFap and find yea it works.

But is rather read and learn and discuss the science.

 

I think if someone wants to talk religion, they should keep it in their own journal and not parade it about in various forum sections. Because it obviously disturbs minds as your own. Or else why start this thread, unless you were personally bothered by the beliefs of others?

Live and let live is the way I see things. Let the mods handle the rest.

 

I don't quite understand what your concern is Clarity... Sure, some Fapstronauts use religion for support, but I don't ever see any bombardment of religious beliefs being posted on threads. To me, if one finds peace and encouragement through religion, I am happy for them. Perhaps you are covetous of their strong beliefs in something.

There are many Fapstronauts on here who do have a more science-based following, you just need to find them.

 

Alexander has said it all. There are various threads. Religious and non-religious I don't see a problem here.

Excellent ideas:

"I have also played around with the idea of creating a Science forum section that is only for talking about the nerdy science stuff (I have a degree in biology, I'm celebrating science not insulting it). What do you think of this idea?"

"I also have plans to have information, upon registration, that walks new Fapstronauts though the science of porn addiction."

Thanks a lot!

 

Clarity
It's not the "religious"'posts that bother me, it's the "bro-science". Unsubstantiated claims, jargon that is meant to be code to ease communication gets coopopted to be held as gospel. "Rebooting"?,"Flatlining"? Where do these come from? This is not confirmed science. It is anecdotal, based on some research, but not established.
Take wet dreams for example. I grew up with the understanding that wet dreams are physiologically based reactions of the male reproductive system to shed old sperm cells and relieve the seminal vesicals of their fluid. I can find nothing to substantiate this. Certainly not on this site. Yet many people go on and on about diet and other habits/behaviors affect on wet dreams.
Let's be honest.
There is a place for spirituality and philosophy on this site, but most of us being laypeople, should qualify what we post here as opinion or speculation.
Maybe we can get a urologist or other scientist to write some observations and helping posts.

 

I wouldn't pay any attention to the guy that has been pontificating about wet dreams, homosexuality etc. I don't think anybody views his claims and theories as "gospel". "Rebooting" and "flatlining" are not scientific terms. They are colloquialisms found on the NoFap glossary: http://www.nofap.org/glossary

I do not understand the phrase you use: "bro-science". If you accept we are all laypeople, I don't understand what your problem is. The science research underpinning the broad principles found here are from Gary Wilson on his site: http://yourbrainonporn.com/

 

@IGY - Broscience is a slang for uninformed opinions on topics relating to health, strength, or athletic development. Well, in our case, relating to the symptom of PMO.

 

There are just a handful of people who have some really weird ideas about things. Some are very religious. We all know who they are. No reason to get butthurt.

 

Hi Thread
I apologize for using the term "broscience" without knowing its exact definition. Thanks Adjoint. So I looked it up and found that it is an insulting term. While I was at it I looked up "butthurt", because I had a little experience with that word. I was not surprised to find it within the broscience lexicon. It's amazing what one can learn on Urban Dictionary.
I also spent a fair amount of time looking over "your brain on porn" by Gary Wilson. I don't have the book, but I used the website. I looked over the research section with a friend who does a lot of peer reviewed research. As we all know, porn stimulates the brain at a high degree. This has been substantiated by the three peer reviewed pieces that Wilson cites. That is where the science ends. I'm not belittling that finding in any way. It's a good thing to have proof for. I hope that someday they can prove conclusively, not anecdotally that ED can be caused by porn use. That is yet to be proven.
If we want to really get to the bottom of this, we can't use magical thinking. Just because there appears to be a link, as responsible people, it's not in everyone's best interest to propagate hope as fact.

 

And if it isn't?

(Not arguing with anyone's experience here, but other mechanisms can lead to correlation.)

 

e5s
This is precisely my point. If anyone cares, go research the known causes of ED. Some of them are serious diseases that ED is a secondary symptom of. Kidney failure, diabetes, MS, smoking. Maybe, young man, your ED is caused by that. I'd like to know if it were myself. Not have someone at NoFap be my only source of knowledge. I personally think that the "90 day reboot" is draconian. Someday it might be proven the most brilliant remedy ever hypothesized, then practiced, then proven. Or, it could be discovered to be as effective as bloodletting with leaches.
Although I'm not a scientist, I'm exposed to quite a few, and they approach everything with a skeptical mind. So my exposure to them has "brainwashed" me to look for all of the variables before I make conclusions.
NoFap could stand more science. As an atheist, I hear the argument all the time that science doesn't take certain things into consideration. That may be true, but blind faith doesn't take anything into condsideration except "the word". I mean no offense to religious individuals, please have your beliefs, but just consider before you proselytize, that others my not.