Mods! This site is haunted by censorship!

This isn't 'Nam, there are rules.

http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?7000-NoFap-Rules

Especially these four rules:

You're not the first person to think this Clumsy. We are only trying to help and maintain the civil, supportive nature of NoFap. Anything that disrupts that is detrimental and should be moderated. I think Alex should get involved in this thread.

 

I'm gay, I eat meat (not a lot), I think wet dreams are cool. I MO and have sex. I came here to break a Porn habit. This site is helping. I've never been offended by one of Clumsey's comments. He doesn't name call, and he had never said, as far as I know, that I or someone else should not have said what they said.
I'm just using Clumsey as an example because he started the thread.
We need open, respectful, on topic conversation here. We are all trying to become better. Moralizing can be done on street corners and churches. I enjoy the openness here, even when I'm not agreed with. I don't however enjoy judgementalism.

 

I'm reluctant to admit, but I share all of Clumsy's views mentioned in that post and respect what he is saying. But IWantABetterLife22 is right, this is a forum where many people would get highly offended if you express some of those views, hence if you really respect people like you say perhaps the moderation, or censorship as you like to call it, is just and called for.

 

clumsy please do not misunderstand this. you are really very young - 19 right?

you are too eager. i think you will harm yourself.

for example: reset counter when i listen to music.

you cant live like that or?

try to relax a little bit - just a little bit.

do your pmofree (this is a great thing) but dont be too extrem while your abstinence.

 

I think he should think about his obsessive internet use. I'm curious to know how much time he spends online and whether he should abstain from that a little. So, Clumsy..Do tell- how much time are you online during the day/week? I only ask, as I believe you probably spend a lot and there are drawbacks to this.

 

Clumsy,I'm writing my two cents in response to your post below, but I am really interested to know why you are abstaining from music!? and also want to know what is wrong with wet dreams. I am not here to argue, but I am baffled and would like to know what this is all about. If anyone else has an understanding of the argument against music and/or wet dreams then please share as well, thanks.

This is a very interesting discussion, but I don't want to get into the homosexuality stuff right now, because honestly it draws far too much attention. I only know one gay person and he's not even openly gay. I don't know why everyone has to argue about gay people when they are such a small percentage of the population. I think it is important when it comes to politics but I'm not much of a political thinker. I think the world is on course to self-destruct and there's simply not a lot I can do about that. I do think that free speech is critically valuable in this vastly overly political correct era.

 

Clumsy - Don't leave and don't get yourself banned again. You're a legend, mate. Be a shame if you weren't on here. You speak a lot of sense but sometimes need to draw the line on certain issues and not get to carried away by your passion. I want you to remain here. This place wouldn't be the same without you.

 

Do you even know what natural law means? Homosexuality occurs in nature. Thus, it does not go against natural law. It may go against your belief system and your opinion, but it's erroneous for you to claim it goes against natural law.

 

How would a newcomer feel if the first thread they saw was you promoting ideas that homosexuality is unnatural (it isn't) or that listening to music is unhealthy? (again, it isn't).

It's not about having those ideas, even though many people find them bizarre, it's about your delivery of those ideas in a manner that's almost evangelical. You seem to lack a degree of humility in the way you express yourself that puts people on the defensive.

Besides, freedom of speech is an impossible myth that cannot exist without accountability or consequence. It cannot be applied to every situation, in every capacity.

For example, suppose I wanted to start shouting abuse at people through their windows? Should I be allowed to do so unchallenged because of some romantic notion of the right to free speech, or should I expect to face consequences?

 

Clumsy it's very important to listen to others rather than simply only express ones own thoughts. Humility is of vast importance in life, spirituality, and human relationships.

 

I believe in the natural balance. One human's actions and beliefs can not balance another's in a natural way. The natural balance can be achieved within oneself. If every individual was striving for this, then there would be no need for extremes. Taking responsibility for oneself sets an example for others. Actions speak louder than words.
In the big scheme 10 ascetics and 10 hedonists do not balance each other, they create a war.

 

Clumsy,

I've recently joined this forum and I really hope it helps me because I really need it. I have to confess that I neally didn't join and you were one of the posters that put me off. I was really upset as I was so glad to have found NoFap but honestly didn't think I could handle it with guys like you on here.

I'm sure you're a really nice guy and undoubtedly mean well but I don't think you will ever get that far on whatever your journey is if you don't recognise that others may want to take a different route. That's sad for you personally but what you absolutely must consider is that I will not be alone in the way I feel. If you overdo it to the point that you are seriously annoying then you are actually denying people help that they so desperately need. I'm sure that isn't your intention but for me at least your attitude neally denied me a resource that I so desperately need. I can't be the only one.

With regard to censorship I think the moderators here are doing fine in my limited experience. There are posts and posters that would have bit the dust a long time ago if I was in control.

 

Hi Clumsy, it's funny I was only talking to you about a week ago and then it turned out you got banned for a while however I'll admit it wasn't very surprising. It's a shame because you're clearly passionate as you are very outspoken about your beliefs though it can also become a bit intimidating at times and that's what made me comment last time as you were disrespecting the people you were discussing with which doesn't really belong on a supportive forum like this.

Despite how much you've read on this stuff it always helps to take on a softer approach. "The North Wind and The Sun" is a good example, where it shows gentleness tends to get you further with people rather than a more hard line approach.

On another unrelated note, thanks for giving me a film to watch, I was curious as to where you're picture was from and Eraserhead sounds like something I'd quite enjoy.

 

I wouldn't bother with Eraserhead if I were you. It is weird, yes, but it is also painfully, painfully slow moving. I really like the subsequent work of David Lynch, though.

 

PM me some studies showing that homosexuality occurs in nature among animals that live in their natural environment under normal circumstances. And please don't show me studies of penguins rubbing their necks on eachother, because I don't define that as homosexuality.

I don't think that it really matters that homosexuality exists amongst other species. It exists among humans. I'm not suggesting this in any way, but just to illustrate a point- mankind could kill every homosexual on the planet today, and first thing tomorrow a whole bunch of homosexuals would be born as new human beings. It is a characteristic that presents among the human species. It is widely accepted, this century, as being a normal variable of sexual behavior. It in no way threatens the specie, physiologically or sociologically.
There is absolutely no purpose to debate it here. Can we just drop it as a political/ethical football? Its just not that interesting. If a person has a passionate feeling about it, that only shows that person has a lot of unresolved conceptualizations about sexuality.
Read that however you like.