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Question about brain fog

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by StillLori, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. StillLori

    StillLori Fapstronaut

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    I'm finding that I'm endlessly reading others experiences so I can compare and understand my PA partner's current stage of recovery.

    Right now I have no idea where we are in relation to mile stones and as such I've got lots of questions I'd gradually like to work through and try to understand. I'm hoping you wonderful people will be able to help me by sharing your knowledge and advice.

    First up is brain fog. What exactly is it?

    I thought this meant having crap memory, low attention span and an irritability because of pmo every day and added it to my list of symptoms my partner doesn't seem to display.

    We've been chatting about this though and his understanding of brain fog is that it's the way he feels when he HASN'T pmo'd

    He says it really ruins his ability to concentrate think clearly etc and then as soon as he madturbstes he feels all the fog lift.

    I'm so confused!
     
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  2. i_wanna_get_better1

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    Addiction causes brain damage which affects our thinking, feelings, and brain chemistry. It causes depression, anxiety, and chemical imbalances. It leads to poor decision making, isolation, irritability, and lack of clarity, focus, and awareness. Life feels dull and boring to an addict because they live a life of extremes.

    A person can pmo to medicate this feeling. The rush of excitement chemicals can burn away the fog. It activates the fight or flight part if the brain. Pmo makes people feel alive. Pmo acts as an antidepressant or antianxiety drug.

    During the first month if recovery the brain's chemistry starts to rebalance itself causing extreme discomfort. The brain experiences withdrawal symptoms that are real and uncomfortable. Some addicts rationalize edging, or looking at porn without M or O, but this inhibits recovery. This is also why the gradual reduction method does not work.

    Lastly, addiction steals the person's best qualities. Recovery will involve him reclaiming his humanity. He will need to learn how to love, care, and be present again. Many SOs will notice the man they use to know coming back to the surface.
     
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  3. AllanTheCowboy

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    Your brain is a Corvette. Brain fog makes it a cavalier. There's not really anything a Corvette can do that a Cav can't, but it just isn't the same. Isn't as good. Isn't as powerful . Isn't as tuned. Isn't as fast. Isn't as efficient . All the intangibles that make a beautiful machine beautiful, compared to an ordinary one. The analogy isn't quite right, but I think it's in the ballpark.
     
  4. GOOD MAN
     
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  5. AllanTheCowboy

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    If they stick around to find out. :(
     
  6. StillLori

    StillLori Fapstronaut

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    So the fog is caused by constant masturbation? Or is it caused by lack of masturbation?

    Sorry I'm still confused... :/

    He has never seemed emotionally distant or foggy to me. He's incredibly affectionate loving, present in family life in all aspects,openly shares his feelings with me. Has he just been lucky and not been affected in this way by porn do you think? Does everyone experience brain fog the same way and he's just exceptional at pretending to be emotionally connected?

    I've never felt like I lost the man I loved, he's always been so close to me; both before d day and after d day. (Although I have been hurt by his concealing and lying). I honestly had no idea or even s hunch anything was wrong before I found out.

    What you guys are describing, he assures me is how he feels if he doesn't pmo. But then I see all these journals about brain fog clearing after X amount of days pmo free... ???
     
  7. i_wanna_get_better1

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    Constant pmo caused the problem in the first place. A person will continue to experience it during his detox. It should clear within 30 days.

    It varies. Some people learn to compensate. Some learn to mimic. Some become 'functional' addicts, like functional alcoholics who learn to manage harmful side effects. If he kept himself in a constant medicated state then he might not have this side effect. Or he may not have reached this level of addiction.
     
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  8. WantsToBelieve

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    Yes, I do believe all PA's deal with brain fog in different ways.
    I'm curious... does your partner struggle with ADD/ADHD?
    This is what mine has. And it always seemed to me that he described his need for PMO as a way to clear his head and focus his energy.
    So it makes sense the way he's explaining it, that he could have that or depression.

    In his mind, PMO helps him focus.
    And it just might.... for the duration that he's doing it.
    As soon as he hits that next low.... that's when he needs it again. That's why it's an addiction.
    So his mind is tricking him into thinking it's good for him.
    Because it's dopamine being released in the brain, a pleasure chemical.
    He is confusing true happiness/contentment with momentary pleasure.
    The release that O provides is honestly great for mental health.
    But it's better when with a partner. I hope he believes that.
     
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  9. StillLori

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    Ah! Ok that makes sense to me now. Thanks for clearing that up for me,

    Yeah I wonder whether his addiction isn't as developed as some other folks maybe and then again it's also crossed my mind that he's a functioning addict who mimicks like you say. Hopefully therapy will help dissect all this and give some answers.

    He's definitely not depressed, neither of us think he is and he doesn't have ADHD either. he has always struggled to concentrate on reading books all the way through if that's relevant...?

    Your partners description sounds exactly like mines! He says he "has to get it out of him" in order to focus on the rest of his day.

    He only ever did it first thing early morning, like it became part of his morning routine and if he didn't do it he'd be jittery all day with this brain fog thing.
     
  10. SpouseofPA

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    has he tried to go a prolonged period of time with out doing it?
    that sounds like withdrawl
     
  11. WantsToBelieve

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    That makes a lot of sense. And I've heard it a lot.
    Jitters are a common side-effect at first when they stop PMO. Withdrawal, as @SpouseofPA just said. Better way of putting it, actually.

    And both my partner and I have ADD (both undiagnosed though), we also both struggle with finishing books and things like that.
    Is that the only thing he has a hard time focusing with?
     
  12. StillLori

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    Since d day In late November 2017 he's only managed 16 days straight no pmo. He's had smaller streaks of a week or so then he does something he shouldn't and resets his counter. He doesn't always tell me the truth or disclose what he's actually done though.
    Maybe it is withdrawal because he only did it once a day in the morning so his dopamine would be needing topped up by the next day?

    Yeah pretty much. He is dyslexic though so that could be a factor. He manages to do quite intricate attention demanding stuff for work and he can watch movies all the way through. He has lost a lot of interest in any hobbies he's ever had though which is a real shame. All his free time is spent with me and the kids just about!

    I've just asked him if he's ever thought he might have ADHD, it's definitely worth exploring.
     
  13. i_wanna_get_better1

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    Here are two articles that help us understand what happens in the brain when we become addicted and what happens when we try to stop.

    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research-articles-and-abstracts
    This link talks about how the brain becomes sensitized to porn, desensitized to normal pleasurable activities, the reduction of the prefrontal cortex, and malfunctioning of the reward systems in the brain.

    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/what-does-withdrawal-from-porn-look-like
    This link talks about the behavior changes that happens during a detox and the chemicals that are out of balance during that time period.
     
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    These we great. Thank you for sharing the links. It's really helping me understand more about what he's going through and if I can understand I can show him some empathy.

    If pmo resets the dopamine levels and clears the fog does that mean sex is a bad idea too?
     
  15. AllanTheCowboy

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    Maybe. I don't know if there's a firm answer, but to my mind since it's possibly detrimental, and the brain fog is probably the first major symptom to clear up, a month or two of sex really isn't important enough to risk the potential negative outcome.
     

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