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Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Pain in Paradise, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. Pain in Paradise

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    I am not really sure where to even begin. I've been with my husband for almost 19 years, and I have always known he enjoyed porn. It didn't bother me. I am a woman who reassures other women that their partner using porn isn't always a bad thing, and can in fact be a healthy addition to their sex life. I still believe that, as long as the porn doesn't turn into some evil monster that destroys a relationship. (So to speak).

    A few years after my H and I got together, I noticed his porn collection had gotten rather large (over 25k files). We shared a computer, and I was trying to figure out where all of the memory was going. I found it! When he got home, I asked him about it. Not accused, not judged, I simply asked why he had so much, and if he thought that it might be getting to be a bit much. Queue nasty fight in which he tells me it is part of his life, and I can leave if I don't like it. I was shocked into silence. He kept screaming, and accused me of violating his privacy. I said nothing more, and went to work. That night, when I got home and logged onto our computer it was all gone. He had downloaded every file onto a disc. That was fine, it freed up memory, and that was what started everything.

    God forbid I ever caught him PM. He would fly into a rage, and tell me I was violating his privacy. Even after I said "It doesn't offend me, and I'd be happy to help finish you off." He tried that, and seemed to enjoy it. Let's just say I am definitely not a prude, and am (or was) extremely open to new things sexually. I took him places he had never experienced before. Willingly and without reservation.

    A few times I caught him placing personal ads, saying that "She doesn't understand me sexually." and things along those lines. I tried to let him come clean about it, and he lied until I showed him the messages. I even asked "Do you think I am just guessing with great accuracy?" Of course I got the "I will never do it again" speech.

    Perhaps I am a fool, but I worked hard to forgive him. Even when he accused me of cheating on him with someone online. I told him from day 1 that I was talking to the person. I told him I talked to the person because I felt like he (H) didn't listen to me, and I would prefer H over my friend online ANY day of the week. I told him when said friend was getting attached to me, and I was going to stop talking to him. Basically, at no point did I lie, or think of the online man as anything more than a friend. I have several male friends I talk to, and am always honest about it. My H is welcome to contact any one of them. The one I ended things with got weird, and called my house, and started stalking me online. I put an end to that situation quickly. Still after 5 + years, H will throw "you cheated on me" in my face any time I bring up concern for him going out of town and placing personal ads (which he used to always do when one of us was away on business, and when I was working late). I even tried to explain "I was looking for a friend. You are looking for an affair. They aren't the same thing!" He denies his part, and screams at me until I apologize for what I did.

    I know that all sounds bad, but we do love each other. He just gets loud and emotional when he feels insecure. That brings me to the problem. Last summer, we started having some issues in bed. I had a hysterectomy several years ago, and have struggled to get my libido back. Most of the time I manage okay. But, I have been under a lot of stress because my father passed 2 years ago (as of last month) and I help my mom out a lot. It takes its toll. He was concerned about our sex life, and I tried on multiple occasions to come up with solutions. I had gone from being a predator in the bedroom, to having difficulty initiating sex. I told him that once things got started I was fine, but I was so stressed out that it was like I couldn't find my on switch. He grilled me for details on how and when he should approach me, on when should he give up, about how much rejection was he supposed to take. By now, I am in tears (which is rare) and trying to explain that he is asking for answers I don't have. Yet, he insists that I find them or I shouldn't expect him to know what I need.

    That went on for several weeks, the making me the focus of why our sex life had dwindled so much. Telling me all of the ways I needed to change to fix it. Then one day last November he tells me that he needs to talk to me. He tells me that he is a PA, in a bad way. He goes on about how hard it is on him, and how uncomfortable he is with the thoughts he is having. I wasn't surprised that he was addicted. I knew he liked porn more than average, and based on how defensive he was about it, that it wasn't a casual distraction. No, the part that shocked me was when he told me that he had chosen our relationship over porn. He listed all of his reasons, and how porn had taken over his life, and he wanted it back.

    I broke down in tears. He said "Why are you crying? I chose us!" and he got defensive when I said "It never crossed my mind that you would have to validate your reasons to choose us over porn" He said "You mean so much to me that I chose us!" I said "I mean so much to you? Have you forgotten how long you have been blaming me for our unsatisfying sex life? You blamed me for almost 2 years! I have given you a "how to" manual because you wanted every little detail on how to get me in bed, which you never once used! So, what am I supposed to be happy about? Please, explain it to me."

    He never did. So maybe someone can enlighten me. Please. He is in therapy for PA and ED, but doesn't really want to talk about it with me. When I have tried to initiate sex, he tells me no. Am I wasting my time hoping he will figure things out? I support him getting help. I am not critical of him, except mentally over "I chose us over porn" and blaming me for a lack of sex when I tried everything I could think of. Those have been the only times I have been upset about this whole situation. I don't bring either thing up to him (he gets defensive and mean), but they still upset me.

    Sorry my post is so long, but I have been trying to understand all of this for months. I have read so many articles, forums, and journals about PA so that I can be supportive for him. I just cannot get past the hurt of his blaming me for our problems in bed, and acting like I should celebrate him choosing our 18 year marriage over porn. Now he is rejecting me completely. I'm so hurt and lost.
     
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  2. 21yearsin

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    Have you gone to Couples Counseling? Are you in therapy?
     
  3. Hey Paradise - thank you for your honesty. You sound like every PAs dream! A woman that will ignore loads of porn. We all have our breaking point but I think the personal ads would've been mine.
    Just out of interest, I'm wondering what's kept you together so long? Please don't be offended, I really am curious. I've had friends stay in marriages where they've been taken for granted. I always thought they were frightened to be alone. Is there any truth in that? Or do you stay for other reasons (eg - kids)?
    Sending you love and best wishes - we need you on here, it helps us! X
     
  4. Pain in Paradise

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    The only time I ever saw load of porn was the stuff he deleted off of the computer a long time ago. Since that time he has been more discreet, and has done nothing that made me think he was an addict. He doesn't spend hours on a computer, he is in bed long before I am. Actually, the only thing he does for hours on end on occasion is play video games on his day off. Nothing stood out to me that he was a PA. When he told me I wasn't shocked, but only because of past (over 15 yrs ago) reactions.

    Aside from his indiscretions, and what he considers mine, we are happy together. Until last summer our sex life was pretty normal, and before I had multiple deaths in my family, our sex life was great. We have tried to pinpoint what changed between us, but neither of us can. The love has never changed. When we have sex, it is still earth shattering.

    Sure, I was mad about the personal ads, and he has stopped placing them. He has also stopped going out of town on business, and has no free time to engage in meeting someone. We live in a small town, and are pretty well known. There isn't much he or the kids can do without my hearing about it. It can get quite intrusive actually. If I found out he had placed another one, I would leave without a second thought. I have been pushed to the limits of being understanding, and would not forgive him. He knows this.

    Am I afraid to be alone? On the contrary. It took me years to feel comfortable in our relationship, and it bothered him that I didn't "need" him. I have never been afraid to be on my own, and am fully capable of supporting myself. It is had to understand someone's personality online. The easiest way to describe me is I am an Alpha personality, but not a narcissist. I am dominant (not domineering), not afraid of much, and am extremely comfortable being self-reliant. I don't feel like he took advantage of me, so much as he was weak, and dishonest. I have limits, and he has reached them.
     
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  5. Pain in Paradise

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    No. No. He is in therapy. I do not feel the need for it at the moment. If I do, I will go.
     
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  6. ThatGirlMarceline

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    Hi! Welcome aboard. Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you two will be able to power through this together. You might not need therapy now, but it's not a bad idea to understand your spouse and learn to be on equal ground again. But hey, if you feel you don't need it, that's great. Best of luck to you.
     
  7. Pain in Paradise

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    Thank you.

    I don't feel the need for therapy at the moment. I've been through years of therapy in the past, so I am not against it. I also have a degree in psychology, and have been a therapist myself.A therapist cannot answer the questions I have right now, only my husband can. I am hoping that his therapist will help him be able to be honest with me. If not, I will suggest that we seek Marriage Counseling to work through things.

    I should clarify that my main issue is that I don't understand his comment of "I chose you over porn" and him being upset (mad and frustrated) when I was hurt that he had been so dishonest for so many years, when I am one of the least judgmental people when it comes to sex/sexuality. I can only come up with blame shifting, but unfortunately until he is more honest, it is just a guess. I knew he got off to porn, and it never bothered me. I knew about it before I married him, and didn't expect it to change. I didn't know that he considered himself a PA until he told me in November, after blaming me for our sex life. So, for now, I will wait and see where his therapy goes.
     
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  8. Hi Paradise! That makes sense. I was wondering if the choice of staying was down to obligation, rather than love.
    With regards to being open/accepting about porn, I was discussing the definition of cheating with my PA yesterday. I think if both agree to that definition, whatever their sexual habits, then it's not cheating. For example, I don't think that couples who go swinging together are cheating...because they have that agreement and nobody is lying.
    For me it's the lying and hiding PMO for the whole duration of our relationship that's made me give him the engagement ring back. He can separate porn and intimacy with me very easily and that bothers me. Because if the roles were reversed, he would not tolerate it at all. Similarly, your PA has accused you of cheating by just talking to a member of the opposite sex. How would he react if he caught you both having webcam sex?
    I've always kind of ignored porn. Then again, all my past lovers were able to perform so there was no reason for me to consider the issue. But since DDay in Jan, I've been forced to look at porn addiction. It's still a very male-dominated culture ("all men look at porn") but if we complain, we're unadventurous, flat-chested feminists. Here in the UK, we have a low rate, tabloid newspaper. A very popular one called the Sun. It's a family paper - a child can buy it at a newsagents. Anyway, it's always had a topless woman on page 3. Everyday. My friend's little boy, was only 4 at the time, picked up one of her breasts and said, "why are yours not like theirs?" EG - the model. Imagine the damage his words are going to cause to the first real, unairbrushed woman he sees naked.
    Also, I wonder what would happen if the Page 3 girls were swapped with naked, Chippendale-style, huge men with big swinging dicks? In Murdoch's publication? Reckon your fella would buy it everyday for you? I know mine wouldn't.
    In other words, us women are already brought up to believe that this is okay. It's already an uneven playing field, reinforced through every cheap, mainstream medium. And that's fine if you're alright with it.
    In short, my definition of cheating is...if you don't do it in front of me, or you hide it on purpose, it's cheating and you know it.
    I hope you find some peace, Paradise. I get a lot from your posts. If you do decide to stay with him, please protect yourself emotionally. If you expect him to lie, expect to find porn stashes, expect the arguments he's already given you to continue then it won't hurt as much when he does it again.
    As a flat-chested feminist that has dedicated 3 loyal years to a man who has preferred other women to me, I have come to the decision that if I don't feel better in a few months, I'm leaving him. If he relapses before then (he's 40 days+), I'll leave earlier. He's taken the piss long enough xx
    Thank you for letting me ramble. I hope you find peace X
     
  9. 21yearsin

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    I understand, I am not in therapy either, I was just curious.
     
  10. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    I totally get it. I personally told my husband before we got in a relationship together that porn couldn't be in the relationship due to my anorexia, knowing it was a trigger for me to relapse (I ended up going back to treatment months after DDAy). The pain sucks when you are sexually adventurous and get shut down or blamed. I am open and have done lots of things and my husband well I'm only the fifth person he has sexually been with and his relaitonships did'nt last long (a month) so he was very vanilla. He always made me feel like I was a freak for anything outside of vanilla sex, and he rejected me sexually before DDAy. I actually broke down in the shower asking him if he was cheating and found someone else because he had rejected me so much. It was very painful. Only through time have we healed to the degree we have (and we still have a long way to go). But it helps when they are out of the porn brain fog (which can last a couple months after they quit). Once out of the fog, my husband started to own what happened, his part, what he did, etc.

    The phrase "I chose you over porn" I think might come from the fact that when rebooting you have a choice to make, either have porn or don't have porn. And for guys in relationships, they soon learn that porn has negative effects on relationships like emotional distance, finding their partner less attractive because of porn brainwashing, and that it can actually hurt their partner emotionally. Maybe he said that in a way to say he is being faithful to you, he is choosing you because he loves you? Honestly, he could have used better words. I get stuck on wording too, and there are still things my husband said that I can't get over because he meant one thing but it came off as something very differnt.

    That's awesome! I am almost done with my Bachelors in Forensic Psychology and plan on getting my Masters after! Nice to see another psychological mind on here!
     
  11. ThatGirlMarceline

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    I understand and support you. You're right that it is up to him to be honest with you and to give you the answers you need during this time.
     
  12. Pain in Paradise

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    Thank you all for your replies.
     
  13. We're here for you, Paradise! X
     

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