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All the hype about the movie Black Panther.

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Runtilmylegsdropoff, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. Agreed Although I haven't watched the movie yet(I have never been in to marvel movies. I haven't even watched the superman one's yet.)It is not a big deal. Maybe a positive role model as well.
     
  2. Gotham Outlaw

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    While those differences are true I didn't feel the need to list every difference between blade and black panther.

    I did say in an earlier post that I enjoyed the movie and that I've read some black panther comics.

    My problem with sjws is that they will never be appeased. BP had an almost entirely black cast with strong female characters and yet they complain there wasn't an lgbtq scene. I just want to enjoy my movies without someone whining that the movie offended them.
     
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    I think you need to stop worrying about the victim hunting minorties. The LGBTQ was what a unknown blogger? People like u who focus on this minority of reactions give it power. I didnt even hear about that, until ur post and had to google it.

    I honestly think youd be better off not worrying so much what others think.

    BP was an awesome movie imo. Its not like it meant a ton to me, but I do think it matters to have postive black male fictional characters.

    Ones that dont rely on sterotypes or even discuss race much. (The reaction comments on race more than the character)

    Anyway to lighten the mood in here.

     
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  4. Yeah, honestly, this is exactly why I stopped watching so much "anti-sjw" stuff. After a while, I was getting annoyed with how every video was so whiney and complaining about such dumb, trivial stuff. As you say, they end up sounded like just as much of a "snowflake" As the people they're critiquing.

    I still think it's incredibly dumb that those kinds of people will never be pleased, and whenever you try to include more minorities or anything like that, they never think it's enough. Like the other day, I was watching a video about how to write diversity in a novel, and I saw some person complaining about this straight person who wrote a book about a gay character and how "they didn't reflect my experience at all!" Like, seriously? You're not the only gay person on the planet, and they all have different experiences. So just because they are writing about a gay person, doesn't mean they have to accurately represent the life experience of each individual gay person on the planet. It just reeks of entitlement when people act that way, like "well, yeah, you finally gave me what I've been complaining about and begging for, but it wasn't exactly what I thought it would be, so I hate it and I hate you for doing it." It's ridiculous, and I will always think that's ridiculous. But I'll just roll my eyes and move on with my day.

    Getting too into the whole anti-sjw crowd can definitely be dangerous, because you start to see the world in a way that isn't entirely accurate. It starts to seem like some huge epidemic of crazy, stupid, entitled morons, but it's not really that huge of an issue. I do honestly believe that mindset is becoming wayyyy too mainstream these days, though, and I won't be surprised if it's even more common in a few years. But still, a lot of these things that are dumb are, as you said, coming from one person or a small group of idiots and probably aren't worth our time to be concerned about.
     
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  5. Heard many good things about this movie. I am really looking forward to seeing it one day. Won't be at the cinemas, so I'm thinking maybe buying it when it comes out on blu-ray. We'll see. Looking forward to it anyways :)
     
  6. MLMVSS

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    I don’t mind having any other races or even different sexual identities in there. I feel it adds character and differing experiences.

    But, I don’t like seeing any race acting like they’re entitled to anything, or gays and lesbians kissing or having sex (it’s not that I hate them. In fact, it’s the opposite; much of the porn I used to get into was homosexuality, so I consider it a trigger), SJWs demanding everything under the Sun unless it’s a straight white man, etc.

    We have to keep in mind that the “racist” attitudes go both ways.

    Politics aside (Which I don’t know why both sides make it a political argument), I enjoyed BP.
     
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    Can you explain how the left made it political? I feel like that's just the straw man argument from the right. Maybe I missed something though. It seems to me that people on the left loved the movie and what it meant to them, so the right snowflakes (ben shapiro etc) got mad.
     
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    It wasn’t really as mainstream as others on the Right make it out to be, but SJWs were criticising it because one of the body guards, who apparently is a lesbian, wasn’t shown as being one. Other SJWs question whether white kids should even wear black panther costumes.

    Then, of course, there’s the discussion of “Wakanda is what Africa would look like if only white Europeans didn’t colonise it!” while failing to realise that, first, formerly-colonised nations like Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, among others, are some of the most successful governments in the world; second, African countries have been free from Europe ever since the 1950s-1960s, and to this day, that place still has guerilla warfare, tinpot dictators, etc, and it’s essentially whites being blamed for that one also.
     
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    That's a bit ridiculous and factually not true. When was Japan or Korea colonized by Europe? Macau? Really?

    A lot of Africa is in turmoil because of Europe. Not solely, but definitely a major factor. I mean do you know the kinds of thing Europe did in Africa? Enslaved the people, took the resources out. Of course, it's not all Europe's fault, but a lot of fault lies in what Europe did and to deny that is to deny history. Besides thinking because they have been free since the 50's (which is not true) means they should have their shit together now is foolish.

    Genghis Khan destroyed Iraq etc back in his day. They still haven't fully recovered from what was lost. Also I should add Africa is a huge continent and some countries are actually quite good and much better than you would expect... I'm sorry man but this was not an imformed post :(
     
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    While colonisation definitely can lead to problems in many cases during the occupying period, it's ignorant to blame the after-effects on the people who decolonised 50-60 years ago, simply because a country somehow still can't rule over itself.

    Notice that I said colonised in general, not specifically European-colonised in all cases. A war-torn, destroyed Japan was occupied for a few years by America after WWII, and Korea was wiped off the map after being occupied by Japan/US/USSR for decades. Macau was, in fact, a Portuguese colony in China; their version of Britain's Hong Kong.

    While the burning of the Baghdad library and the trashing over there, in general, was a huge setback, Iraq's contemporary issues come from a weak government combined with ethnic tensions among Arabs, Assyrians, Iranians, Turks and Kurds. It wasn't until the overthrow of Saddam that much of the present-day issues kicked up; before then, terrorist attacks and insurgencies in Iraq were rare, but now they occur near-daily.

    I used to always view South Africa as the more sensible part of Africa, but ever since Mandela's presidential term ended, South Africa has been on the decline. It faces massive rape statistics, disproportionately-large murder rates of Boers (white farmers), running out of water (Cape Town) and sluggish economic growth. This wasn't caused by colonisation, as these problems didn't even show signs during those times, but rather the lack of sensible governing of post-Apartheid South Africa. It only went from one racial extreme to the other, from one cruel regime benefiting whites to a corrupt country benefiting blacks. How are whites to blame when the ANC, a mostly-black party, rules ZA since the 1990s?

    Similar story in Zimbabwe, where militias fought against a 15-year white minority rule after declaring independence. The moment they lost power and the moment Mugabe became president, farmers (many of them white) couldn't farm at the same level anymore, whether due to mismanagement or land confiscation. Ever since then, it's gone through famines that were especially bad in certain years like 2008-09.

    Have Europeans done the best things in Africa? No, most definitely not. However, Europe don't control Africa anymore; the countries in Africa do. It's up to their own to determine how to run their own country, and not take the easy route by blaming whites for everything. It reminds me of Hitler blaming Jews for Germany's problems back in the 1920s-30s, despite Germans, not Jews, running the country.

    Also, being victims of slavery isn't uniquely an African issue. Africans sold other Africans into slavery. The last country on Earth to outlaw slavery was in Africa (Mauritania, 2008). Asians and Europeans were taken into slavery during raids by the Ottoman Empire and other sultanates (the word Slave, in fact, comes from the Latin word Sclavus, which is also what Eastern Europeans (Slavs) were known as, because enslaved Slavs were common during this time), and their histories weren't quite happy ones either.

    In short, what matters is how a country deals with its past experiences in order to ensure future success.
     
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    This is ridiculous and would only make sense if the colonizers left their colonies in good shape. That is not what happened in Africa. The resources were stripped and the people enslaved. That is not close to what happened in Japan. And Japan was not occupied in the same way Africa was. it's not even close and is a foolish comparison. Same with UK and HK. It's not close to the same. I dnt think you understand what the US did in Japan. If u want I can forward you some litetaure.


    Before the ouster of Saddam you had him murdering thousands of people. Before that Iraq was still a mess and reached nowhere near its peak since Khan. You are blaming a weak government, what causes the weak governments. Why do these places have good governments prior to occupation but cant have the same after.

    Whydid u think SA was the most sensible part of Africa? Why is more sensible than Algeria or Nigeria? You certaintly have a euro centric way of looking at things.


    What Africans blame whites for everything? However you are downplaying the role of occupation and slavery. You are acting like 50 years is a long time. Its a blip in history.


    You sure love straw man arguments. When did I or anyone ever say only blacks were enslaved? However there is a huge difference between the African slave trade and most other slavery practice. 1. It lasted quite a long time and took numbersfar larger than most other periods of slavery. 2. Race was used to justify slavery, prior to that slavery use to happen due to one country taking another. this allowed people to get free in a pleothra of different ways. This was not the case with the African slave trade. Downplaying the effects of slavery is downright foolish.

    Comparing to hitler is the dumbest thing ever. In what way did the Jews really hurt Germany. Europe destroyed many parts of Africa less than a century ago, but ya they shouldnt take any blame.

    Black and brown people are too dumb to take care of themselves. They are clearly inferior to whites and Asians right.
     
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    Korea was not in good shape when Japan left it, and neither was much of Eastern Europe/Central Asia when Communism collapsed. But, they rebuilt. African nations received over $54 billion in aid from other nations, yet it was used to line the pockets of tinpot dictators rather than actually build up their own countries. Whose fault is that, the people giving, or the ones in Africa receiving?

    Saddam was a dictator over his own people, and not a colony. He had every opportunity to build up his country, and while he did to some degree, the human rights abuses he done slowed down much progress also.

    Failed states happen because the legitimacy of the government is no longer there, and the government no longer can provide for the people, which both can lead to internal conflicts. It can happen before an occupation, or it could happen afterwards.

    ZA was among the most economically successful, and during the period of Mandela’s presidency, was also among the most liberal; same with Namibia and Botswana. True, Algeria is successful also, but Nigeria has its own infighting with terrorist groups and militias also (Boko Haram). That issue in Nigeria wasn’t caused by European colonisation.

    There definitely are blacks who blame whites for everything. Turning on the TV’s one way to see such accusations.

    Slaves were sold to whites by blacks from enemy tribes; neither were innocent. While colonialism wasn’t the most glorious time either, European powers did focus on abolishing slavery, improving education and developing better infrastructure, especially in the later years.

    But, European powers are long gone. The Blood Diamond trade’s still occurring. Poaching’s still occurring. Those certainly aren’t the fault of Europe now, but rather African governments who don’t keep those in check.

    I’m not saying that Europe isn’t at fault for anything DURING their colonisation (they were responsible for what they controlled), but after independence, it’s up to the African nation to provide for itself, from its own leaders to a functioning economy.

    This isn’t a strawman. It shows that others who were victims of slavery didn’t use the history of slavery as an excuse for not being successful, much like some Africans are trying to use now.

    Also:

    1. Europeans using Africans as slaves happened for ~250 years, and 12 million were enslaved. Compare that to the Turks and other Middle-Eastern powers who, for centuries, enslaved over 85 million Africans, as well as tens of millions of Asians and Europeans. Even during the European colonialism era, they were taken into slavery.

    2. That happened many other times in history, because many times, foreigners were enslaved. Race is one indicator of a foreigner, as well as religion. It occurred in Sumer; the Byzantine Empire; the Ottoman Empire; ancient Israel. This isn’t unique to Africa or Africans.

    It’s not the dumbest thing ever, but rather sensical. Jews faced much antisemitism in Christian Europe because Christians believe the Jews were the ones that got Jesus killed. Ever since then, they believed Jews were also going to kill off Christians by summoning up conspiracy theories, such as Jews poisoning wells (during the Plague scares). There were a number of Jews who then were in control of finances within European kingdoms, and these Jews were blamed for any hardship they faced. One such book in 1903, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was the foundation of Russian antisemitism, and to a lesser degree, German antisemitism. It pushed the theory of Jewish/Zionist world domination through finances and political power.

    So... how does this compare? Jews were a powerful minority in Europe, much like how whites were a powerful minority in Africa. Much like anti-semites in Europe concealed their own faults by blaming Jews for past ills, Africa’s doing the same to Europe. Sure, there were damage, but there was also restitution through aid, as I stated earlier.

    Well, hey. Those are your words, not mine. Never, in any of my posts, did I say they’re inferior due to race, or anything like that.
     
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  13. I can't believe Christians actually supported Black Panther even with all the witchcraft in it... Christians are really hypocritical for liking a movie that promotes witchcraft when it's condemned all throughout the Bible.
     
  14. There aren't many movies that don't have at least something in it that Christianity opposes. Because these movies aren't made by Christians. I don't really see anything wrong with enjoying a movie while recognizing that there are parts of it that you disagree with.

    Also, while I understand some of the witchy-type practices in Black Panther are things people actually practice, it's also a completely fictional story. I just view it as fiction. Same way I view the magic in Harry Potter. It's a made up world that doesn't exist, and in this made up world there happens to be magic.
     
  15. Even though witchcraft is practiced in these movies and it's condemned in the Bible but OK. Crimes shows depict fictional murders yet even though they're fictional they're still wrong and still condemned in the Bible. It looks like personal opinion takes precedence over Scripture.
     
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  16. Right... and as I said, tons of things that are condemned in the Bible are in all kinds of shows. Homosexuality, premarital sex, lying, cheating, drugs, getting drunk, etc. It's perfectly fine if you feel called not to watch any of those things, but you have to be consistent in your views.

    Obviously I'm not referring to that, I'm referring to the examples listed above. I mean how many shows or movies can you think of that don't include premarital sex? Very very few. So isn't that the same? Do you cut out all of those as well? If so, that's totally fine and your choice. But God calls different people to different things sometimes.

    But anyway, I don't want to derail this thread into a bunch of religious stuff. That's not what this is about.
     
  17. Right but again, all those things that you listed are sins which are all condemned in the Bible and are all contrary to the Judeo-Christian God's nature and so I don't think a holy God should be happy with His followers breaking His commandments and then them going around saying that He says that it's OK for Group A to sin but not OK for Group B to sin... But if that is the case then He would be contradicting Himself and falling short of and breaking His own moral standard. And that's actually part of the reason I think I'm gonna leave Christianity... I don't wanna be a hypocrite anymore, the rules are almost impossible to follow and it's too easy for me as an imperfect being to mess up but then now it seems that the Judeo-Christian God Himself is contradicting himself and not following His own moral standard, so yeah, apparently the Judeo-Christian God is showing moral favoritism among some of His followers compared to other followers and breaking His own moral standard.
     
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  18. To all Christians out there: am I wrong?
     
  19. Nobody is doing that. Watching a movie that has witchcraft in it is not saying "it's okay for people to do witchcraft."
     
  20. Youve completely missed the point of Christianity. I'll PM you, because this is way off topic.
     

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