Confilcting Evidence. Please don't read this if you are considering relapse.

Whats the point of posting this? Mastrubation will eventually lead to porn because plain fapping is not going to do it after a while, then ppl will turn to p

 

People will justify to no end what they enjoy doing. Whatever. They'll never understand why it's awesome to stop masturbating until they do.

 

This is totaly nonsense. doctors says masturbation is good for health. and around 75% males masturbate. thats right but masturbation is healthy is rubbish. it takes 27 days to make a semen for single erection. if u masturbate twice it maens u have wasted ur tommorows semen in advance. its ok if u do it for few days then give a break for week. but if u practicing it daily it means u r disturbing whole process in ur body. by rubbing ur dick regulary ur making it to loose sensitivity. i think u guys know that when we cu
m in pussy a bit amt of semen get back in our penis. do u know why bacause of vaccum. when we ejaculate our glands become empty then to fill that empty space it start sucking bit but if u erect in bathroom then there is no cum only cold air which went inside the veins and regularly it starts weaken them. as a result loose erection. loss of sensitivity results no excitement in real sex because pussy is so soft. so in every matter pmo is harmful. everything science says is not true. science says tobacco lead to cancer but i saw myself old people who were consuming tobacco since they were young and still at the age of 80 or 90 the dont have cancer. this we have to see if its harmful or not. if u feel or see harm of masturbation then its injurious and need to be quit.

 

This article makes me realize how much I have changed... This is exactly what I used to think... Thankfully I know better now.

 

At just over a month I can still feel my brain yearn for sexual touch. I can't believe how strong of a habit masturbation can become, and I often wonder how some boys never do the act. I think it has alot to do with the morals of the parents, and even though things may not be taught or spoken of, it is the unspoken thoughts and deeds and moral fiber of the parents that is passed off to the child most if not all of the time.

I mean I am really craving sexual activity since yesterday. Of course I'm not going to act on the thoughts, but when I dismiss a thought I can literally feel the abuse I've done to my brain by indulging to erotica while fapping. With each urge I let pass without acting on, I am literally rewiring my brain. It's uncomfortable for sure, but I know that instant gratification will only lead to a pit of shit. I want the true joy of being in a committed relationship and will find sexual satisfaction within that relationship. I will start seeking one after my first 90 days.

I'm too tired to workout right now, so I'm just mindfully channeling the surges of libido to higher ends mentally.

OP is still caught in delusion, can't blame them.

And btw Sonu, it's more like 36 days to make that amount of semen, according to an ayurvedic doctor's reference that I came across.

In no way is ejaculation healthy lol, ejaculation is meant for reproduction. You can gain much greater stress reduction benefits that so many 'studies' report on through activities like exercise and meditation. It is depletion of the life force, such vital energy is meant for creating life. Non-ejaculatory sex/lovemaking is the way of the vital and wise individual.

 

27 days to make semen for an erection? You are aware your testicles are making millions of sperm per second right?

 

I don't think he worded that appropriately beauty. Or if he did, it would be nice to post a source Sonu. In ayurvedic medicine, it goes something like this:

"How Semen is Formed
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Just as milk cream is the cream of milk, semen is the cream of the males' blood. It is very precious. Semen is created by the secretory glands from the food we eat. According to a book I have read, only about 20 g semen is produced from the food that a man consumes in nearly 35 days.

(1) From 32,000 g food, approximately 11,153 g chyle is formed.

(2) From 11,153 g chyle, approximately 3,887 g blood is formed.

(3) From 3,887 g blood, approximately 1,355 g flesh is formed.

(4) From 1,355 g flesh, approximately 472 g fat is formed.

(5) From 472 g fat, approximately 164 g bone is formed.

(6) From 164 g bone, approximately 57 g bone marrow is formed.

(7) From 57 g bone marrow, approximately 20 g semen is formed."

As for the significance of those 35 days, I don't know what it actually means. But we can see that semen is a most vital substance.

In TCM, some doctors say that an ejaculation not more than once a week is healthy. And of course there are sources that state it is ok more frequently than that or that it is much more beneficial to refrain from ejaculating most of time, for instance 1 out of 100 sexual acts would be ok to ejaculate and maintain high vitality levels.


The choice is up to each individual, obviously lol.

 

This is cool information. I'm not really into the ayurvedic medicine though, I'm more of a 21st century science kind of guy. Still awesome information for thought.

 

This is trash. Why would you post this on NoFap's forum?

You do know the goal is to not masturbate right?

As others have stated, at least for me, MO leads me back to porn. Alcohol isn't a problem until someone develops it in to one. One beer a day is "good" for you apparently according to some articles I've read. However, an alcoholic cannot consume only one beer a day. It leads to more drinking. I cannot fap or MO. It leads to more porn. Understand?

You're trying to convince people with masturbation and sex addictions to engage in an activity that will further propel them in the wrong direction of overcoming those problems.

- vM

 

Ever read Cupid's Poisoned Arrow? There's alot of cool neuroscience references in the book.

 

I don't know if it's "Conflicting Evidence" so much as it is a series of "Conflicting Floating Assertions".

 

I almost always masturbated without porn. I don't know. Maybe it was because I never had high-speed internet. Maybe it was because it was how I woke up in the morning. Either way, masturbation doesn't always lead to porn.

I've read lots of stuff about masturbation in the past few days and I'm not seeing anything really to convince me one way or the other. At the moment, I'm just doing this NoFap stuff so that if I find a reason to later on, I'll have a head start on where I would have been.

 

I hope anyone reading this can think rationally about these topics and discern that most of what DonkeyKong is saying is complete nonsense. There are so many falsifications in this thread, it's not worth going into them, though I'm willing if necessary. It seems, luckily, that a lot of others have discredited DonkeyKong's post already.

What strikes me as odd is, how does DonkeyKong get to 77 days with this kind of thinking? These views will set you up for failure.

Stay clean guys

 

The thread is useful, on the condition that people can see that the article you have cited in your original post has no substantial evidence supporting its claims.

However you have cited the article in such a way that suggests you support its contents. In this way the thread is not helpful at all. I just certainly hope that some people don't get sucked in to believing it's falsities and start believing they can achieve nofap with flawed ideals.

In conclusion, this thread is dangerous, however it's important that we constantly recognise differing opinions and ideals to make rational conclusions which will help us in our journey forwards (even if they may not be correct IMO).

 

DonkeyKong people need to learn how to read an introduction to a post and so I say you are not at fault in any way for the miscommunication.

I never saw masterbation as healthy I just did it because it seemed so normal. I remember reading articles similar to the one you posted here many times and when I did it kind of reinforced the habit. But only because I had no skepticism back then.

And so I take issue with the part that mentions religion as the only reason for abstaining on offer. When was this article published do you think? I say this because I believe this thing we do is quite a movement. I would assume that if the article was recent that when the guy/girl was writing it up they must of been searching around the internet for research. I would of expected them to find and mention this way of life but their searches probably were somewhere on the lines of 'reasons why masterbation is good'. This article was written with preconceived ideas and ends up reinforcing flakey preconceptions of masterbation in the reader.

This is poor journalism. The article loses novelty by not mentioning the idea of abstaining and what may come for it. I'm not sure whether it's because I follow it or not but, it's a more novel, modern and interesting topic. Hasn't this 'masterbation is good for you' been around just for ages? On another point, if it even mentioned NoFap-related behaviour, fleetingly, the readers may know that there is another way of doing things and it can help think differently instead of just being told its fin and that if you abstain you must be a religious nut!

This article really didn't show both sides of the coin... sloppy research and boring. It's the same business they give you in every sex book, relationship book ehow guide and in magazine articles. Where do you find this stuff? Get it away. It's gross.

 

Good post!

I have something to say about learning through masterbation because I think there's a fair bit you can learn through relapse in NoFap.

PMO is a modern indulgence. Stuffing your face with cheap chocolate is also. We all understand what the negative effects of PMO addiction are. Food addiction symptoms are similar, and it also induces severe medical conditions such as obesity.

I believe you don't learn anything from this sort of gluttonous indulgence when it happens (excess PMO or chocolate). Usually you just feel good for a bit and then guilty. We understand what it is like to have a chocolate treat, enjoy the experience and not have to deal with crippling cravings (we do for PMO).

I believe this sort of chocolate use which we exercise is equivocal to having sex in PMO terms. I also believe relapse can be a special opportunity to not replicate PMO behaviour but turn into a self-sex experience like it should be by being a calm, observative, explorative, emotionally present and compassionate. I learnt a lot from doing this because I ended up not fighting the behaviour but thinking differently about it. And by thinking differently about it I effectively mean totally persuaded!

My point is that you can learn a lot about yourself from masterbating during relapse but not from habitual PMO or reconstructing that same behaviour during relapse.

For a chocolate addict, when you know you are going to have a chocolate bar I suggest instead of going for the safe choice of a twix you try out a bounty. This will fulfill the chocolate lust but new memories will be associated with it. Not release, escape, excessive dopamine or a sugar rush but instead a new experience. On top of this you gain confidence because of the semi-control you just exercised by not going for your trigger food/behaviour in PMO terms.

DonkeyKong, I think PMO addiction is seen similarly as food addiction. It will be said that having treats is fine but that if all you are doing is eating treats then you should probably stop! They will not call you addicted and that you are allowing impulses to control you which will lead to a degradation of your life through loss of control and other such things. They do not explain what eating, PMO and gaming may be doing to your perception of reality and your ability to enjoy and deal with what life gives to you in the future.

They say 'if you are doing X too much then stop' or 'if all you are doing is X then stop'. These are not clear guidelines, especially for young teens and children because you don't know shit at these ages. Mostly Parents, teachers and adults have to tell you when you are having too much of something because you don't fucking know. You are cared for and catered to by everybody around you until almost your final years of education. All you have to do is shit and breath in this time and gtfo out of people's way when they're busy because they have not got time for your dumb shit.

Education needs to be so much more than it is. Sweeping under the carpet I wouldn't say I would say incompetence.

(I speak on behalf of people who were raised in a home where money wasn't a real issue and there were no serious life-altering events to aid a bitch-slap into reality)