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Being "enough"?

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Deleted Account, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. Hi everyone - just looking for feedback and opinions. Especially from PAs who are in recovery.
    My PA is just over 60+ days no PMO and has put some effort into staying clean. We've had sex a few times but, to be honest, I'm still too hurt and self-conscious about my body to want it. He's been patient and says he won't go back to porn but because he's lied about this repeatedly, I find it hard to believe. In fact, the last time we had sex, I didn't feel like it but was so afraid he'd go back to porn that I did it anyway.
    I've lost more weight. I'm not trying but when I'm stressed, I don't eat and it's dropping off me. I'm wearing baggy clothes so it's not too noticeable at work and I've gone from a C-cup to A-cup which makes me feel even less attractive.
    As far as the relationship goes, the engagement is still off and I'm still 50/50. Half of me hates him for the damage his lies and actions caused over the past 3 years. The other half of me loves him dearly and wants to stand by him.
    My question to y'all is: How do I know if I'm enough for him? He says I am but he's always said that so ultimately, it's meant shit - he always chose other women/porn over me. So I can't trust his judgement, even if he's convinced himself that I'm all he needs.
    In other words, I'd feel worse if I thought he was just settling for one woman when he's had thousands of fantasy women before, all without making an effort, instant access by phone. Wouldn't he feel hard done by if he has to settle for just one? Settled for less than because he's scared to be alone?
     
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  2. osmowife

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    If my husband read this he'd probably think I posted it. I'm in the same boat as you. I remit myself often it's not my fault. He'd be like this if it were anyone else. He had pied with the one other person he had one other time. Some days that's not enough and I still break down and cry. Its a daily struggle for me and I wish I could say it's gotten easier. I guess I just need more time.
     
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  3. Wade W. Wilson

    Wade W. Wilson Fapstronaut

    I've been married for almost 12 years and what you said is exactly how I made my wife feel all those years. She caught me first time 10 years ago right after our first daughter was born, so after she caught me her self-esteem just went down. I did stop for awhile, but I never thought what kinda damage I did to her. I continue to ignore her and not being attentive. What I'm getting at is the only way for you to know if you enough is for him to show it to you. I don't want to make same mistakes I did in the past, we had 3 DDays. So not I try to show her what she means to me and I can see that it is hard for her, she likes what she sees, but at the same time, she afraid that I'll go back to my old ways. She also asked me if she is enough for me, not talking about love, or our marriage, or the years we've been together, just her sexually. I thought about and to me she is. I don't want to get into the details of my thought process, but while I was at work I thought about. In the end, it's up to him to show that to you.
     
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  4. Numb

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    I've felt like you and still do sometimes. But it has only been about 4 months since the latest and last DDay. Early on and over the years I've been consumed by that thought, am I good enough for him. I've asked him so many times over the years that very question and he always said yes. I've even told him that maybe we should break up so that he could find someone who was good enough for him, someone he didn't need to lie to. Hearing him say I am enough/I am what he wants means very little now, but his actions say much more than his words ever will. He is putting in the effort to stop P&M, he has had so many positive changes over the last couple of months. He seems happier, less stressed. But we are still working through this crap. There were many hard talks, and there will still be more to come. But we are helping each other and his actions are telling me what I need to know for the most part. If he wasn't putting in the effort, or wasn't supportive of my recovery I don't see it working.
     
  5. phuck-porn!

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    This is such a hard topic. So much pain. And all of it warranted. There no way your pain isn't real and justified.

    I just wish there was some way for the PAs and SOs to trade brains for a day. Neither side understands the other on this topic. In a way that is apparently unexplainable the guy brain just doesn't see it the way the SOs do. It's not denial. It's not just being stupid. The guys honestly don't see it as porn/1000s of women vs. wife. They might act that way... But it's not what's in their head or heart. And the SOs are not wrong to take it that way.

    Like I said, maybe only a brain transfer would do it. I wish there was a way....
     
  6. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    I don't know the answer, but just wanted to chime in and say I feel the same way. It doesn't matter if he says I'm enough now because clearly that wasn't the case for years. For me, the damage is done in that department, even if he doesn't act that way now.
     
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  7. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    I feel very similar and am unsure if I am enough. I honestly think I'll never know, and that is very saddening.
     
  8. Here's what I can offer from this PA's perspective...

    No matter how much I could yell it from the mountain, my SO will always look at my porn as competition. That's reasonable for her to feel that way. That's also completely incorrect in my mind. If my wife wasn't enough, I'd cheat on her with a woman IRL.

    However, me looking at porn ABSOLUTELY taps my sexual reserves and I have nothing left for my wife. In that way, porn is a mistress. So there really is truth to the way that both sides look at it.

    My wife and I are working on my PIED right now. We are working on rebuilding intimacy and trust. We stop or pause if I am not with her mentally 100%.

    My wife is also dealing with her physical appearance and concerns about competing with younger women.

    There isn't much I can say to convince her that I love her (more now) truly. I'm convinced that the only effective thing I can do is PROVE MYSELF THROUGH MY ACTIONS. And as it is taking time for me to get better all around, proving myself will also take time.

    If he wants to have sex and is there mentally and spiritually with you, then embrace him. Be thankful for that. He needs your love as much as you need his. If he wants to get better, he wants to get better with you. You full feed off of each other.

    And for whatever it's worth, I've never felt like I've been with a single woman I've M'd to. Not one. It's always been deep loneliness. Not until I found my wife have I ever experienced anything but that. She has always been real. They have never been.
     
  9. Numb

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    This is what I am fighting. Rationally I can see what you are saying and even agree but emotionally I can not agree. So I end up with two opposing thoughts/feelings going at war in my head. One that hurts me and one that helps(to a point anyway). That thought is seared into my being right now, I have to compete, but I can't. I have to be better but I am not. It is so confusing at times, and draining. This is something I am trying to work on, but it has hit something deep in me that I have always believed.
     
  10. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Yes, I read something once, I don't remember where... but that a husband's P use validates and confirms every negative thing you've ever thought about yourself. At least that is true for me. That's why it goes so deep, I believe.
     
  11. And as a PA, this has always pained me on multiple levels as well. Both in the fact that I have hurt my SO in such a manner and in the fact that I can do little about it. We guys like to solve problems, but this is one that is out of our immediate reach.

    Time and effort will resolve this. But the waiting does suck. Considering the complexities of my addiction, I'd be happy with my progress so far if it was just me. But where my wife is involved, I can't get better soon enough.
     

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