New ED & cronic Pain

Hey @Ice4 ,

Welcome. I'm just an ordinary member with no super powers. Thank you for your introduction post.

I also have pelvic floor muscle spasms. So, I know what you went through to get the diagnosis. I had so many test and exams. A cystoscopy of the bladder, a chest xray, a CT scan, an IVP, a liver ultra sound (the CT scan showed some areas that turned out to be nothing), a colonoscopy (as you know the pain radiates to the abdomen), a testicular ultra sound (for me the pelvic floor muscles left a dull ache in my testicles), rounds of blood work and more doctor's fingers feeling my prostate than I can to think about.

After all that, they told me there was nothing wrong with me. Yet, I was still having horrible "attacks" of pain. Some of the pain attacks literally put me on the floor in the fetal position.

The internet was very new then (this was about 1998), but I found a site where men were talking about this problem. Much of what they talked about was told nonsense. I did however find a link to a page from a doctor in Palo Alto, California. He said it was a pelvic floor muscle spasm and heat combined with tylenol or aleve (both over the counter pain meds) would stop the pain in about 20 minutes.

I bought a hot water bottle. When I have an attack, I fill the bottle full of hot water (being careful it won't scaled me) and put it between my legs so it's covering from my tail bone to my perineum. Then I take two tylenol. After about 15 to 20 minutes the spasm goes away. I even have a 2nd hot water bottle in my suit case so if I'm traveling I can use it.

It's just become part of my life. Stress brings it on, a hard bowel movement can trigger an attack and having an orgasm right after urinating can sometimes bring on the spasms.

When I started having the problem there was no awareness of chronic pelvic pain syndrome, so I ended up being told there wasn't anything wrong with me. It was frustrating as hell and I'm glad that today people are getting help and a diagnoses.

I know stress brings it on, but there are physical things that can make it happen as well - like a hard bowel movement which pushes on the pelvic floor muscles.

pmo can cause PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction). The brain gets so used to seeing perfect images with porn that it gets bored when porn isn't there.

Semen (sometimes called ejaculate) is made up of between 2% to 5% sperm. The other 95% to 98% of semen is made up of seminal fluid and prostate fluid.

If a man doesn't ejaculate (have an orgasm), then the sperm in the testicles will just be reabsorbed by the body.

The seminal vessels will continue to make seminal fluid. The prostate will continue to produce prostate fluid. If a man doesn't ejaculate, then seminal fluid and prostate fluid will naturally be expelled by the body. It will be expelled during urination mostly. Sometimes a bowel movement will push on the seminal vessels and excrete seminal fluid.

So, no, your testicles (balls) will not get swollen if you don't orgasm.

Regarding sex with your g/f. The NoFap's mission statement is:

The NoFap Mission Statement quoted from the NoFap.com homepage:

"NoFap® is a comprehensive sexual health platform. We’re here to help you quit porn, improve your relationships, and reach your sexual health goals. Science-based, secular, and sex-positive."

If your goal is no porn and health sex with your g/f, then there is no reason you can't have an orgasm when having sex with her.

Reboots are basically made up of three things: no porn, no masturbation and no orgasm. Some members decide to only do no porn, some decide to do no porn and no masturbation, some do a "hard reboot" and do no porn, no masturbation and no orgasm.

Read this page: https://www.nofap.com/rebooting/ it explains the different "modes" of a reboot. Although no "pmo" is the most common, there are other valid reboots that work for people.

Yes. Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction (PIED) can be cured or at least made better by doing a reboot.

The "Getting Started with NoFap" guide describes how. You can download that at this link: https://www.nofap.com/getting-started/ it's a .pdf file and will come in your email.

There is so much support on this forum, the profiles and the various groups. It works if you work it. I don't offer advise. I offer only my ESH (experience, strength and hope).

My ESH is that NoFap is about action and that meant work for me. It is not about "not doing something", for me, it is about working my program.

Work it? Oh yeah. There's work to be done, that's what's worked for me. Two things I've found necessary.

1. I had to Learn the NoFap Program.

2. Getting involved with the community on here was vital to help my recovery.

Learn the NoFap Program
The resources listed on the "New Users: List of Rebooting Resources" helped me find my way around the reasons behind the program and the terms used.

They are:

• Download the free Getting Started guide.
  
  
• Set up a PMO-Counter Badge. More info here!
  
  
• Basic introduction to the science of porn addiction!
  
  
• Basic information about rebooting and how our challenges can help you recover from PMO. This is the most important page to read. If you only can read one page, read this one.
  
  
• About NoFap.
  
  
• Watch this video - it is an epic intro resource if you want to get particular details about porn addiction and how it changes how your brain works.
  
  
• This is a good light-weight video about porn addiction.
  
  
• Read through the journal sections and see what other rebooters have experienced. It is good to know what to expect, otherwise the "chaser effect", "the surge", or the "flatline" might throw you off.
  
  
• If you come across vocabulary that you can't understand, check out our rebooting glossary of terms.
  
  
• GET ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR HABITS! Sign up for a peer accountability partner. Otherwise if you want more professional-hosted solutions, check out NoFap Premium or Reboot Camp. If you can afford to invest in yourself, these are great options.
  

You can find this same list on the top of the forum you posted this message on at - the "New to NoFap" forum.

Get Involved with the Community
The community has been my lifeline. I've found journals I love, people who are very supportive and a place where I could get to work helping in a small way others.

Remember, I'm just a normal user with no magic powers. But, I can:

• Read Journals, and comment when I have ESH
  
  
• Find people I admire and stay in touch via their profiles
  
  
• Pick a forum and make sure every post gets and answer. I can't answer them all, but that's good - different opinions make for a better group.
  
  
• Post in my journal (I could be better at it - but I do milestone posts at least) To make a journal go to the section listed by age and start one. Keep all your journal posts in one thread. But, for random thoughts, you can create a new thread.
  

Looking forward to seeing you around on the forums,

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PS – I Think of pmo like a wolf. If I Stay near the center of the group with the winners the wolf has a more difficult time finding me. But, stray near the edges of the community by not working my program and the wolf can pick me off.

 

One of the ways I got involved with the fellowship was by reading some really great journals. Reading other's stories with their victories and even defeats is a big part of my program.

I've included journals from all age groups, spiritual members, religious members, secular members, male and female. You should find journals that help. If not, look around, there are hundreds of others from which to choose. When I say "it works if you work it", reading journals is part of that work.

Once you open a journal, click "Watch Thread" in the upper right of the page to get alerts when new posts are made. Here are just a few:

@Alikersantti - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/155162/
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@Reverent - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/143845/
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@BigDawg913 - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/145872/
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@kropo82 - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/78164/
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@tet2vd - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/144513/
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@Protagoras - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/109842/
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@JakeO5 - https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/152940/
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There are many more, and you can discover them on your own. But, these are great places to start.

This is a work in progress. So, if a journal has changed or is no longer active, look around there are some amazing journals on here.

--> L

PS - Starting a journal also helped me a great deal.

The journals are listed by age groups on the forum start page.

Most members run one journal only. That way both the member and others can go back and look at their journey at a later time.

Hope to read your journal soon. Also, in your personal details you can put a link to your journal. Then, appears under your avatar.

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For me NoFap is 1/2 program & 1/2 fellowship.

Click on these people and post a "hello" on their profiles.

I've found that the bricks that hold this community together are cemented with the support of the members of the fellowship.

@Mr.Imperfect
@Toughboy
@romlel
@LeoJohn
@Gray Wolf
@StarLightReboot
@Chriss27
@ludwig525
@hoping_cannon
@SteelshoT
@reystronaut
@2525
@weddingnails

Look at with whom they exchange messages and you will find more profiles.

So, if you would have found more profiles yourself, why suggest these particular ones as a start? Those relationships started with just saying hello. So, my ESH is that saying hello has kept the fellowship alive for myself.

Looking forward to your success and in seeing you say hello on these profiles,

--> L

 

Hi, i'm am no one special. Just a guy who suffered from addiction for 21 years and helping others. I write this to a lot of people who are starting to work on their recovery, so i hope it will help..

It's a long LONG post, i hope you'll read it.

I've been addicted to booze, drugs, sugar, caffeine, pmo, pmo with a lot of amphetamine, instagram, facebook, compliments etc etc. When i stopped using one, i got involved in the other addiction.

Well, i guess addiction is just a symptom of a deeper problem. It's common for addicts to get addicted to other things when they cut the primal addiction. I guess when you get deeper into why you're addicted it's getting easier to understand.

So figure out the reasons you're getting addicted! And it’s not because you like it. There's more underneath the simple “I like it.”

Just, as i wrote, take a deep look in why you are addicted. Because every short-term solution will cause in increase in dopamine and therefore we feel good. We need that shot because we cannot deal with the feeling that we have when we don't get that shot. We cannot deal with negative emotions.. So, you need to know why you are seeking for the artificial stimulation. I see it as an onion.

The sour onion is nicely stored in the outer skin.

For the sake of convenience, we call the skin around the onion addiction.

When you remove the outer skin around the onion, you spontaneously start to cry. It is acidic. It hurts your eyes. So our natural reaction is to do something about that. Because we as humans are, evolutionarily, programmed to find quick solutions, our first reaction is to put that sheet back in place. We masquerade the acid. So we either fall back into our old addiction, or we find, unconsciously, a new addiction.

So, as I said, When you open the outer layer of the onion, it’s sour, and you will get tears.. Therefore you need to unpeel the onion.

You have to peel all the onion until you get to the core. Work on that core. Unpack the core. And when you have found the core, unravel the core as well. I've noticed that whenever you get to the core, there's still a core. I have had 6 times that I thought I was at the core, but that there was still an underlying problem. And eventually, when you finally got to the core, you stop crying because there is no onion left anymore!

It’s also very handy to watch this video 10 times!!



And it helped me a lot to make a plan. So when i began to stop being addicted i just wanted to stop.. And that's good, but it's freaking hard to maintain focus with only one reason. So i made a plan. Why do i get addicted? What is it in my life that gives me so little joy that i always need to find other ways to get happy. .. So start with the gigantic question... WHY AM I ADDICTED? Do you fully understand why you happen to use all the time? As i wrote i was a full-time addict. Porn, drugs, booze, sugar, caffeine, social media, compliments of other people.. Every short-term solution i used to cope with my problems.. Really, after thinking for so so so long about my addiction i came to the conclusion that my addiction is in every fiber of my life!! And i finally got to a point where i really understand why i'm addicted. Since i fully understand what addiction is and what the mechanisms are behind (my) addiction, it's easier to not give in! For me it started when i was 9 years old. I had many problems in my life.. I was bullied a lot at school. Long story short; me and two friends found some porn magazines and one told me what to do as a boy. In the afternoon i did and BAZINGA, i didn't care about the bullying anymore. At the age of 13 I experienced great youth trauma. And from there it escalated quickly. Years of fapping, drug and alcohol abuse followed till they needed to take me into mental hospital 3 years ago. My main problem was that i have never loved myself. I started to believe it was my own fault that i suffered that trauma, and when i started using drugs i was ashamed etc. At then end i could find only one reason, i used everything just to have a good feeling, find some rest in my head etc. And it was not only substance abuse.. As i wrote, it was in every fiber of my life. Everything was about getting compliments, people telling me i'm a good boy, likes on instagram etc etc...

So, figure out all the things you need to know about addiction in general and about addiction in relation to you. The Internet is pretty useful for that. And, maybe not the most fun thing to do, get bored a lot! In this modern time, we are always busy with something. From the moment you realize you get bored, you will find a way to deal with that boredom. We have internet, books, SMARTPHONES, people to hang out with. See where i'm going.. Our brain get's stuffed with imput, imput, imput.... We are never empty anymore. Yeah, i know, boredom is not fun, but it's essential for healing the mind and for finding answers on such big questions as for why am i addicted, why do i relapse all the time. So, go on the internet, read stories about other people's experiences and get bored and think.. THINK A LOT. I happened to find it most relaxing to go out for a walk in the forest, do a lot of cardio, read, or just meditated. There are a lot of meditation forms. I like the one i count my breath. And, i like the one where i just think about everything that pops up. Most of the time its about my addiction.

So you need to make sure that when you want to fully recover from addiction it has to be at the very top of your list... It has to be the most important thing besides food, water, air, and sleep. So when you fully understand what the mechanisms are behind your addiction, then you make a solid plan.. Just getting in to reboot without a plan is the same as beginning an iron man triathlon with no training at all.

And with a plan i mean a real plan.. So i made a mind map of all the reasons why i don't want to fap and why the hell i want to quit my addiction. I would suggest you make a written paper with 40 reasons why you don't want to fap anymore. I say 40 because 2 to 5 reasons are to short. 40 reasons is a moderately long list so it takes a little time to read. It might take your mind of the urges. I guess we addicts are really good at finding reasons why we should do it.. And therefore we are so damn good at convincing us to give in.. And, not to forget, one of the most important things is healthy food. My recovery would have been absolutely unsuccessful if I had continued to eat unhealthily. In the end, I even had to give up caffeine and sugar and masturbating to porn. We, addicts, are always seeking for the dopamine shot. So in order to recover and re-wire your brain, it's good to quit all short-term solutions. I would suggest joining the dopamine challenge. I've added a link to the dopamine challenge.. haha..https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/5crla0/the_dopamine_challenge_are_you_tough_enough/

Making a plan is so important. Not having a plan is the same as wanting to run the marathon without wanting to train…

So we really need to change that mindset and make us only see the reasons why we don't want to use anymore..

it helped and still helps me a lot, when i really have strong urges, to make a mantra of all the reasons why I don’t want to do it. And, as a craving for drugs, alcohol or a porn related thought or image comes up to my mind I count from 1 to 6 and backward and visualizing the numbers. I just count and visualize as long as I need to get rid of the porn images or thoughts. This does two things.. Namely, it get's your mind of the urge when you do it consistently and... it helps your brain make need pathways not related to substance abuse (rewiring). I really noticed that after 3 weeks of consistently doing this, the cravings began to weaken... And afterward, when the cravings are gone, i do full the mantra 6 times.. And if that not helps, and i'm at home, i jump under the ice cold shower. It's such a shock to the body and mind that in 90 percent of the time i cant even think about it haha.. And if even that dont help me, i will go run as long as i need. Last time i needed to run i kept on going for 25 kilometer hahaha.

So the other things i do to deal with the urges are..

• Intermittent fasting. I only allow myself to eat from 05:00 to 07:00 in the evening. It makes my willpower grow, i dont have a lot of food cravings anymore. I also fast 4 days a month only on water. So i dont eat, but only drink water for 4 days. It helps me A LOT to have a clear mind and it's fucking good for upregulating the dopamine receptors. I've noticed that in the beginning it's quit hard.. But you have a choice. I have gained so much more willpower and discipline by doing intermittent fasting and the water fasting ritual. Ow, and fasting helps to restore dopamine receptors!! Just read this... https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-benefits-of-fasting-on-the-reboot.64894/ https://vitals.lifehacker.com/how-to-free-yourself-from-food-cravings-with-intermitte-1702108722
• i meditate a lot. It helps me SO SO SO SO fucking much in controlling my mind. Read thishttps://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/how-to-meditate-for-mindblowing-state.28105/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/5udawq/meditation_is_extremely_important_to_succeed_with/ It's also FUCKING good for getting new dopamine receptors...
• I only take ice cold showers.. It helps me a lot with increasing my willpower. We, addicts, have the habit of always choose the most comfortable path.. So if you're able to really go uncomfortable, it makes your will power go though the roof. and it's pretty good for your body.. https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/cold-showers-are-the-bomb.33956/https://gettingstronger.org/2010/05/opponent-process-theory/

Hard Solutions, Easy Life - Easy Solutions - Hard Life

I guess it will be a long, difficult and arduous journey, but it is more than worth it.

When i started working on my addiction(s) i had absolutely no idea what i was doing. I didn't think it was necessary either. I guess when you read my story you will see it was more than necessary. I'm working on my recovery now for 3,5 years and i still am not where i want to be. I even stopped working now for 4 months to work more on my recovery.

In the end, I stopped everything. Instagram, facebook, sugar, caffeine, drugs and alcohol. I also try to work on my obsessive urge to get compliments.

At first, I felt I had to give up everything. I thought it was terrible because I needed it. Now I gradually come to the conclusion that everything I didn't want to give up in order to live just, took my life. Live moderately, be satisfied just in time and happiness comes when you don't expect it because you were not busy with becoming happy but with life.

Based on my own experience of the past 21 years, I really believe it is a long journey. I did not get addicted just like that. It did not happen in one go. It is a long way from becoming addicted. That is why i cannot expect to be ready just like that, all of a sudden.

Every time i thought I was there, there's something new to come. (onion: underlying problem) And that's not a bad thing, that's good. Because i want to recover completely. I solemnly believe that recovery must be as important as the oxygen you breathe, the food you eat and the water you drink. You will not be addicted in 1 year. That is something that goes on for years. And probable you will reach this point a couple of times.. The point where everything seems to go fine and then you forget all the agreements that you have made with yourself…

I have experienced so many times that things were going well again (at least, I thought so) and that I forgot about my own agreements. I forgot about the agreements because it went well again... So I relapsed about 100+ times. Be careful of those moments.

Now I realize that it is the other way around. Things are going well because of those agreements!

Do you know what the problem is with mankind as a whole? We, humans, are hunters and collectors based on our past. The part of our brain that is responsible for the feeling of pleasure and of "ah, this is important so I need to have it more often" was about the first part of our brain. That is also logical. Without a sense of pleasure, we would never have been able to evolve. Food is important to live so that's why we feel good after eating. Sex is extremely important for the reproduction of our genes, so this is one of the most intense, natural, dopamine rush. As I said, it is a mechanism that has ensured that we are living at the moment. So by nature we are always busy with feeling good. Only in the past was it a question of a primary good feeling. It wasn't so much about long-term planning. Eating, sleeping, connecting with your group, fleeing danger. These were mainly things for the short term. One of the few things that were planned in the long run was the reproduction of our genes. I'm sure you understand what I mean.

So, the disadvantage of humanity is that we always go for short-term solutions. Look, for example, at our eating pattern. It is completely illogical to eat 3.4.5.6 times a day. Our body hardly gets time to process it. I eat about 2200 calories once a day. Mainly fat, a little protein and very little carbohydrate. I feel so much better than when I ate 4 times a day

But, there is good news young man. We can train our brains.

It took a very long time for me to get through the mechanisms behind addiction. Each time I stopped doing something and then started doing something different. That works for a while until you derail again.

Each time you fall back into old habits, the paths of the old customs become stronger. And every time you fall for short-term solutions, the prefrontal cortex becomes weaker. The prefrontal cortex is involved in cognitive and emotional functions such as decision making, planning, social behavior and impulse control. So, as you can see, one thing lifts up the other.

I can't give you an answer about how you should do it. I can only tell you why things always went wrong with me.

I didn't put my recovery on top of my list. And, I recovered mainly for others. To get compliments, to hear that they were proud of me. Not because I have no willpower. Or no discipline.

And, because I always opted for short-term solutions, I found it extremely difficult to make long-term goals.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope I inspired you to work on your recovery. Ow, and i would suggest with starting with a full hard-mode reboot. That’s the best way for dopamine receptor recovery and for getting it out of your system..

And do remember to please: we don’t give up things in order to recover. We gave up life, in order to be addicted.

PS. Especially during the time i used amphetamine during pmo I was looking for such perverted things that in the end I believed I was a terrible man. After i quit using drugs it was still extreme and therefore i still believed i was terrible.

Now, after 53 of abstinence, i am finally starting to get a normal taste again. I don't feel much for the extreme porn anymore.

I, for instance, watched a lot porn which you can consider far beyond normal for me. Also gay porn. Gay hardcore porn. I even had a lot of sex with guys.. A lot.
I never considered myself as a gay, but for a long time, i have thought i was bi-sexual. No, after quitting my addiction, i have a more vanilla tast haha.
So do the complete reboot, get sober and then, after that, you can define what's normal for you!


If you have any questions, just ask.

My journal: https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/21-years-of-addiction-my-fight-my-story.164500/

PSS.

The absolute basis for a good life is to think about yourself first. When you learn to really think about yourself, then naturally there will be a lot of room to think about others. We can say that we did not think well about ourselves, which is probably why we have become addicted.
Now, look around you, how many people live on the autopilot. And how many of those people are really capable of standing up for others. The autopilot of today's world is that we are constantly devoting ourselves to fast, short-term solutions.
So, be proud of yourself that you stand up for yourself, that you think of yourself and do what is best for you!