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"Porn" production should be banned. Seriously.

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by PicaDeCipo, May 4, 2018.

  1. PicaDeCipo

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    (First of all. I'm new here, hello all. I've been lurking for some time and decided to sign up in order to participate. This is naturally my first post, too)

    Simply put, I believe any form of making "porn" should be banned. More clearly: ALL explicit material, including (but not limited to):

    - Porn sites, e.g. X-videos (this is a no brainer)
    - "Physical" media, especially magazines
    - Animated porn (Cartoons, "hentai", porn games etc)

    The reason is quite simple: Porn is a drug, and potent at that. It has almost the same effect a "regular" drug has, with the same or even more potential to ruin lives than a lot of drugs (especially legal ones) because 1- It's free and incredibly easy to access and 2- It's not taken seriously - there's even people who argue that "making porn is protected by the 1st amendment" (or some equivalent to FA on other countries). This is obviously a retarded thing to say because making porn and distributing it everywhere has literally NOTHING to do with the right of free speech.


    Practically speaking: There is NO WAY to truly control porn distribution. ONCE IT'S OUT, IT'S OUT. This isn't something new, it's actually been like that for several years now. I'm not fond of censorship but I'm even less fond of having kids in a world where everyone with internet access is literally clicks away from terabytes of people having sex, and some very nasty at it.

    The only way to put a (perhaps small) brake to it is to start taking it out on the "dealers", as in, people who actually "do" porn. Producers, actors, and the whole industry. Otherwise, it will just grow bigger and affect more (and younger) people as time passes.

    tl;dr - Porn is a drug, so it's production CAN be considered criminal.

    Edit: I posted this in Off-Topic because I wasn't really sure if it fitted the "porn" section, as most of the topics there do not discuss "porn as a drug" itself. I figured I couldn't go wrong in Off-Topic, anyway, if this isn't right, I'd ask a mod to simply move it where it belongs (It's not nice for a first-post to be in the wrong section)
     
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  2. Yeah, i agree with you. At the very least, it should be harder to get your hands on so children dont stumble on it.
     
  3. I think it's possible that it will someday be illegal, but I believe that it will get worse before that ever happens. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before changes are possible. Eventually society will hit rock bottom before we decide to wake up and take action.
     
  4. I might be in the minority here, but I disagree. Porn shouldn't be illegal or banned. Porn is sketchy buisness but it's a buisness.

    P-subs are literally everywhere you look. Sex sells and thats the way it's always been. Go through the mall look at posters of half naked women.

    The main problem lies who would be in charge of banning it? Most would say the government and then we are in for trouble. Porn, as fucked as it might sound, is an exercise of your first amendment. I do think it's a drug, and needs to be publicly denounced. That's all we can do as a society; teach our kids, inform the public.

    The truth is it is free speech. And porn makers are also just average people like you and I, doesn't have to be huge business directors. Anybody can post a porn video of any kind.

    Also @PicaDeCipo , you can't just call something criminal. Criminal by definition mean to be breaking the law. Porn is not criminal, immoral perhaps. Actually it would be criminal to ban porn, that would be criminal.

    And this is coming from a person with pied, which is the worst case scenario when it comes to porn addiction. Porn should not be banned.
     
  5. I'll leave you on this thought. Theres no way it can be banned. Take cocaine for example. Coke is a substance, if you are found with it, it will be taken away. Coke is banned (illegal). Porn could be considered everything.

    Think about all the fetishes out there. Any average Joe/Sally can throw up a video somewhere. The way to ban it would be some group of desk nerd government dudes looks at all videos uploaded by anybody and everyone and determine if those videos are pornographic.

    That's absolutely terrifying and textbook criminal. Take a gem dom porn example. Just a woman talking in front of a camera. Some person will have to determine if it's pornography, it's physically impossible.

    We need to publicize pornography use and the dangers of to the common people and let them make their mistakes or learn from it the hard way
     
  6. MLMVSS

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    Why do people think the best solution to stop anything under the Sun is to simply ban it?

    That’s not how it works.
     
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  7. MLMVSS

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    Also, people should be responsible for their own well-being and their own choices, not have a nanny government decide what to do for them. This is a step towards authoritarianism.

    Certain bans already in place, such as CP, are definitely okay as those obviously don’t involve consent, but a blanket ban in general would be a bad idea imo.
     
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  8. I am now not a fan of porn even though for years I wouldnt have felt this way. I guess it was not so much of a problem when you had to put.some effort into getting porn.Mail away, go to a porn store for example. Now for free you can watch just about anything for free. I heard they are going to require you to register on porn sites before having access to the site.This my help somewhat. I know if it wasn't so easy to get I wouldn't have done as much PMOing as I have.
     
  9. People shouldn't blame porn for their own choices and porn shouldn't be illegal. If youre an adult its up to you to govern yourself appropriately. If you have a bad habit of abusing porn its up to you to work hard to change your behavior or face the negative consequences. That applies to anything that has the potential to be negative so if you ban porn, irresponsible people will find another vice that youll need to ban. Do you expect the government to ban everything that you could possibly get addicted to because you're too lazy to develop self control and good judgement?

    This is just as innapropriate as that NY city soda ban imposed because they felt fat people couldn't be trusted to stop drinking soda all day long. Should we all have to give up pizza because fat people keep eating it. Maybe the government should just put us in little cages so we don't make the wrong choice and ruin our lives.

    It kills me how people who havnt learned to keep their hand off their own dicks are all obsessed with regulating world behavior. Just cause porn is a problem for you doesnt make it a problem for everyone. I guess it's easier to project your problems onto the world then actually deal with them but It would be much more productive if you focus on you and your own addiction.
     
  10. changinguser

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    Unfortunately I think there comes some of our ignorance as people. When I started, we saw porn as part of a process of growing up and perfectly normal to have the desire to watch it. As you said, it's addictive and that's one of the issues that we have. We don't realize how harmful it truly is until there's already some sort of damage done. And it's worse like others have mentioned when this is a drug that is free to the public. I think that's because we gave it less importance as a potential treat to people's lives. Yes, I also have the wish to get rid of it and save others from this, but there are some other considerations that must be taken on count. Nowadays we give more freedoms, and that's something that porn industry has taken advantage on because now many things such as films, characters, publicity also show some more limited sexual content. While we view it as a way of preventing damage to others, others might see it as a limitation to the rights and freedom. It's really cruel and weird when you think about it, but I really believe on the idea of preventing children from being victims of having access to pornography
     
  11. PicaDeCipo

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    Thank you all for the feedback! Answers in-quotes as red text.

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  12. MLMVSS

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    1. Consent does relate to it. If you’re not old enough to consent to it, then it’s illegal. Hence, child porn is illegal. There’s also a crackdown on revenge porn lately, which is also shared without consent. Hiding a camera in the bathroom to take pictures of them is also illegal, and it also doesn’t involve their consent. Consent definitely can show, and it absolutely gets considered in questioning the legality of a specific pornographic picture/film.

    2. There isn’t a such thing as “even more illegal.” Something’s either legal or its illegal; there aren’t shades.

    3. Labeling it as a crime means it’s an action punishable by law, and if you can be punished for it, it’s illegal, or in other words, banned. You are advocating for a ban on pornography, so I don’t get why you responded in the way you did to my first post?

    The ONLY ban I would support is pornography being an advertisement on something that’s supposed to be family-friendly, or places such as news sites, but even then I would only support a specific domain for porn, like a .xxx, instead of an outright ban. But, frankly, porn’s tough to clear out. There’s millions of CHILD PORN pictures (yes, CP) on the Internet (especially the DW), and thousands of videos. If government can’t even take care of that speedily, then regular porn would be even tougher. And honestly, the government should worry about more important threats than adults having sex on camera.
     
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  13. Gotham Outlaw

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    Banning things will only create a black market and more demand. Anyone who disagrees with this should look up prohibition and the war on drugs.
     
  14. Pornography is becoming a main economical growth factor in some countries, they won't tell you of course, but imagine how much billions of dollars enter annually from pornography itself. Also some big companies as Playboy were from the starters in sharing pornography magazines and now its head's character is becoming an inspiration for example. I won't say it is not possible to stop it, many countries do ban pornography websites. Yet it is still not a useful method to stop someone from watching it. I believe that the societies should be aware about this issue and take it as a serious problem. It should be illegal to create or support or donate for or let any pornography organization work. We can't keep selling cigarettes in each shop and say people should stop smoking.
     
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  15. Simply these things are not supposed to be banned, but to be prevented from its roots, as there are anti drug agencies, there also must be anti-pornography agencies.
     
  16. IR254

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    We had this discussion so many times already. All arguments were shared already at one point or another.

    I didn't read the other replies in this thread, so I'm only going to say this:

    We banned drugs and it didn't work at all. It made everything worse. Same will happen with porn. That put aside: You can't possibly ban porn. Not humanly possible.
     
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  17. For real. I literally cut and pasted my last response.
     
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  18. I will echo what someone else said re: Cocaine being highly illegal yet it's production, appeal and use is at times only sllightly abated by the efforts of law enforcement. For every 100kg shipment that is siezed by the coastguard or international border protection there are thousands of kilos that have already passed and are yet to pass.

    It's like porn, the demand is in epic proportions, the supply is there to meet that demand and in turn the supply helps to create more demand due to it's ease of access and lack of any real deterrent. In this day and age i believe it is literally impossible to police the internet in its entirety, so even if porn was made illegal then the resources required to enforce that law would be extremely difficult to muster. you would have to train people, pay people, get people into the courts, manage them in the community regarding risks they pose to others etc which requires a whole different subset of trained individuals and if the production of it is illegal then that means the users themselves become criminalised and in that respect you would probably have something like 1 in 4 people on some kind of sex offenders register. Practically i can't see it working, so the best approach is educating people and actually try to make it less acceptable in society again but at the same time offer help and compassion to those who wish to stop. I think the conversation about porn use would benefit from more people who have influence such as celebrities making it 'cool' to be abstinent from porn but pro love and pro sex and pro relationships.

    In reference to protecting children from accessing the content, that is something i believe could potentially be enforced if some law is passed to make it mandatory for all content providers to implement robust age checks on their platforms and have much better filtering and vetting procedures for the content. There are sites like Youtube for example who's ability to protect children from age inappropriate content is in question at the moment, then we have the social media outlets these days and all manner of hurtful, illegal and innapropriate activity goes on there especially where children are concerned. They should be made more accountable for managing their platforms and should face serious consequences if they continue to allow nefarious things to occur on their platforms. Protecting children is something i think every one can get on board with.

    Most of us were children once who viewed porn on the internet and now we are here trying to put the broken pieces of our lives back together
     
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  19. This can be the logical solution. However I believe that if they prosecute the famous and most common porn websites it will make a big difference in this thing. Like pornhub for example. If they account and take to court the responsibile people behind it and put rules to close such websites by its all materials then yes it will be minimized a lot. Advertisements also should be controlled. Movies and videos games should have a standard according to sextual scenes, they should not be categoriesed to +18 or Q. But should be prevented as a criminal issue. In this way things can be much better. Like seriously, when it comes to privacy? The whole world is speaking about it and we know that big companies like Google for example or Facebook have most of our information. And these information which they have are controlled by them. So can't they do the same thing to pornography ? They simply can put strict constitutional rules as they do always to internet materials and credits and privacy. They can do that.. And who doesn't like it can go to blackweb where random people won't think about and don't know.
     
  20. If pornography is democracy, I believe that democracy should be limited when it effects the public benefit. We know that pornography is a reason for addiction, psychological issues related to pornography (fantasies), that can also be a reason of rape and Objecting the other gender. This has no benefit but creates a negative society for the sake of lust and money nothing else.
     

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