Masturbation w/o Porn

If you want to reboot faster stop m all together and I think masturbaton alone still isn’t good because it still wires you to get pleasure from your hand instead of a real life partner and you will lose energy after masturbaton just for a thrill being a spritual person as well I found out for myself that porn and masturbaton are a waste of time and energy and bring negative energy into my body when I can use that energy to make a real connection or to do things that give me fulfillment and further self development

 

What you say is true and your goals are your goals. There will be many different responses to this depending on the goals of each, but there are a few things to keep in mind. First is that M'ing can slow down porn withdrawal if the synaptic receptors are continuously overloaded. In other words, it all depends on how fast you rev the engine. Too fast, then porn or not the brain fog will still be there. M'ing without porn requires a lot of self control and awareness of how many cylinders your brain is firing which is why going slow is the better idea. Humans were built to go slower than what porn offers anyway.

The second thing is that M'ing can tempt one in watching porn later, maybe a thought of "enhancing" ones imagination for example. In my experience keeping conscious of one's goals and inner values is the key, refusing any temptations that would violate the spiritual connection.

 

I personally would not demonize masturbation at all, especially for male teenagers it´s nearly impossible otherwise to control those immense sexual urges without any masturbation. It´s a fine line, because the demonization of it is nothing new, but rather an old hat of religious supression. It was so successfull to implant the idea masturbation would make men sick and weak, that members of older generations still feel guilty doing it. I was raised and educated by the complete opposite idea, that masturbation would be "healthy, normal and harmless." I knew everything before I was able to ejaculate at all and was looking forward finally to try this method sucessfully (luckily there was no hardcore porn available to kids at my teenager times). After I have discovered "the trick", I was totally hooked and did it at least once a day, often more times. I tried also to abstain for a while, but was not able to reach even a week, when I have started with 13 years.

Looking back, interestingly around that time I also got bullied in school and had my first depressed phase with suicidal ideas. Later I have noticed, that I was free of depression and anxiety always during longer periods of abstaining.(max a month or so) So, my personal theory developed (and is still verified), that I lose lifeforce by semen/physical orgasm. In Asia this energy is called Chi or Prana. Would go to far to explain it all in details, but I believe sexuality is a main key to deliver energy for spiritual development or also mundane success. If you waste it by regular masturbation (especially with porn), you distray your will and power to resist and become an easy manipulated tool, an obedient victim in my experience. (picture it like the enslaver scene in "the Dark Crystal", it describes the process pretty well to me)

The other side is, if you are not able to sublimate this gathered energy into any creative or constructive work, it can make you very restless/aggressive/feeling pressured. Then I would rather recommand a good masturbation session with one or two real satisfying orgasms (means your whole body is involved by moving and getting sweaty, but not just jerking the dick off) is still better, than going mad by rising the pressure further. But if you can lead that sexual energy into higher channels (by meditation for example) you don´t need the masturbation relief any more. That is the deeper reason for the celibate in catholicism/buddhism/hinduism etc. (of course a morale desaster, if forced on people by religious authorities because of "sinful nature")

The natural way would be to have satisfying sexual intercourse with a proper partner, but people who regularly masturbate mostly lack of these. Obviously, all the classical old ways don´t work anymore in our brave new world, but maybe they never really worked well already in "good old times". People have to choose and find now their own personal way how to handle these things.

 

Hey Chris and van der Meer, you are my heroes!! very great points of view

 

I've learned how to relieve any sexual tension now without the use of porn ie: yes i do M from time to time and i have not viewed any for over 3 years now, i've also stopped drinking and taking drugs as part of my issues were related to those as well. The difference today is i have a much more mature view of it and feel 'in control' these days. The frequency has gone way down too, i probably M no more than twice in a 7 day week and i've gone weeks without it before, simply because i just didn't feel any tension or that i needed to.

Viewing so much porn becomes a cue in our brains to M so we end up associating both and the effects are severe for many of us who land ourselves in a quandry with addiction and compulsive viewing/behaviour and the problems with escalating onto different kinds of content.

When you take porn away completely you have to focus on something different, more natural and more healthy. I think about women for example who could potentially be my girlfriend or sometimes my ex gf. Sometimes it might even be a particular female celebrity but in my opinion a certain level of fantasy is OK, it's when those fantasies lead on to harm or are a direct result of harm such as porn being so exploitative and linked with sex trafficking etc it's kind of a bad energy if that makes sense.

It's about learning to respect yourself and your boundaries and the boundaries of others and understanding where your moral compass is. My hat goes off to those who can maintain complete celebacy because that is a difficult feat to achieve. My problem was with pornography and the ever growing genres and indulging in things that were far removed from what i believed in as a basic human being. Today i don't feel shame about where my thoughts take me because i have learned a great deal and taken steps to understand the underlying reasons why i got involved with online porn and the places i ventured whilst in that negative mindset.

Bottom line is, you're not going to die and your manhood isn't going to fall off if you don't watch porn and you will have more time to do things that are imporant and maybe even start a hobby or get involved with something good.

 

I masturbate without porn all the time. There's nothing wrong with that, the only time it becomes a problem where you have a hard time visualising it in your mind and you feel tempted to watch porn.

 

Im rebooting from pmo 21 days so far worried myself i cant masturbate without porn havent tried yet im wait until 40 days just to see if my dick works trying to recover from pied

 

40 days is a respectable goal, and I think your head will feel clearer by that point. I understand the desire to make sure your body is working the way it's supposed to. Just make sure that when you check you're not using porn!