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What's the difference? Maybe we worry too much.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by RonTheMan, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. RonTheMan

    RonTheMan Fapstronaut

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    Since I am nofap, I tried to avoid all nudity and sexual material, be it sex scenes in movies, a bikini picture of an actress in gossip newspaper, basically in anything.

    Then after more than a year of nofap, I watched the handmaiden and red sparrow and saw extreme nudity and sex scenes but observed that their intention was a part of storytelling and plot device, not as a libido flamer or for sexual arousal.

    Since then, I am confused, what can be called porn and what can be called art? Can erotic films and art be called porn? I think it's about the intention.

    Movies like Gaspar now's love can be considered porn but was seen as a movie with a story. Or another example can be blue is the warmest colour, which has sex scenes of pornography nature, but was critically acclaimed and won Palme d'or at Cannes film festival. So did they hand a prize to a porn?

    For me, porn is something which is meant for sexual arousal and nothing more. And I don't find that with watching sex scenes in movies, or in tabloids.

    What's the opinion?
     
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  2. RonTheMan

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    So can sexy scenes in movies are basically porn ?
     
  3. Moon Shot

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    Now, you are asking for an opinion, so it's my belief that the line between these two things is rather blurred.

    For the most part, I would suggest a websites which try and avoid such scenes, one such site being https://www.vidangel.com/, at least during the duration of a reboot.

    387 days?! Congratulations bro, and I hope you keep it up! Good work! :)
     
  4. Nudity in movies used cleverly as plot devices aren't porn, in my opinion (though for my rebooting period I'm avoiding possibly every movie with nudity or anything triggering me). Porn develops the porn industry, which sole purpose is to make money on something as beautiful as sex by throwing away whatever beautiful it has. It makes sex dirty, twists the reality. Nudity in movies doesn't feel like that to me. Some dramatic scenes would be lacking something without an element of nudity. It just feels different.
    Unless, the movie's purpose is to make money on nudity and fetishes, but they somehow doesn't call it porn, because... reasons? Fifty Shades of Grey might fall into that category. From what I've heard (haven't watched it because of possible triggers, duh) it's like a porn.
     
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  5. RonTheMan

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    more opinions are invited
     
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  6. Moon Shot

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    I concur. But like you, I would heavily suggest avoiding anything 'artistic' even, if it can be helped during a reboot. :)
     
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  7. RonTheMan

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    more opinions are invited
     
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  8. PMO addict

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    I was looking this up yesterday. The word pornography comes from porno (harlot) and graphy (graph) which meant writings about harlots. Harlot is another word for prostitute or whore, which are mean words. I would not ever call anyone that but they are the words in the dictionary. Those words mean that it is about a person who is basically selling themselves out for money, and doesn't only apply to selling out sexually but also selling out in other ways like giving up other core values to gain money, power or approval, etc.

    So, if you try to think about it, are those actors or actresses "selling out" sexually? Are they compromising their own values just to make money? Since you can't really ask them you can't know. In the same way even some videos of sex on a "porn" site might have been made by someone who actually wanted to make that video, or do the things in that video. It's possible to twist the words all around.

    I think it's also important how I interpret what I see. I could see a mother breast-feeding a baby and lust over the exposed body parts, when that mother is actually not doing something inherently lustful. So it has to do with me and what's going on within me.

    That's not to say I could watch some wild sex videos and think, "as long as I have the right attitude, its safe"

    But it is an interesting philosophical question.
     
  9. RonTheMan

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    Thanks for the suggestions.

    More opinions are invited
     
  10. guitarplayer0096

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    I feel like it's a personal thing right? Depending on what triggers your compulsive behaviour. So if you find yourself wanting to watch more and more movies with nudity just to 'beat the system', then that's a problem. Or if it leads on to addictive behaviour (edging, looking stuff up - whatever) then that's an issue too. However if you can view the scene and then move on, without it triggering anything then I would say, without knowing anything more about the situation, then that is probably ok. It really comes down to what causes addiction for you.
     
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  11. Mister Fire

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    Erotic scenes in movies are NOT Porn.Porn and Eroticism are two different representations of sexuality (just ask Wikipedia or somethin').Porn is MADE to get you aroused in a way you shouldn't be outside of intimacy with a REAL girl.Porn is MADE to get people to bust their nuts 'cause it's an EXPLICIT/GROSS representation of sexuality.Eroticism SUGGESTS, it's IMPLICIT, it's more SUBTLE.Now just be careful to NOT confuse erotic shit with porn-subs (which is basically just porn with clothes).Porn-subs are shit like girls twerking and showing off their big booty to get you to bust your nut and all that kind of bullshit you find on social media.Also stay away from softcore porn which is, as the name suggests, softer porn (but still porn so fuck that).
     
  12. spudiron

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    One way to look at art is the emotions it invokes. Erotic films can focus on story and have graphic and explicit content. And if they tell a very good story in that medium, then sure, they can win awards at art festivals. The "I know it when I see it" definition of porn isn't the same for everyone. One person's porn is another person's art. Which as @guitarplayer0096 points out is the personal aspect. What are your motivations? I can go to an art website and look at women and convince myself that I'm appreciating their beauty and I'll make art based off them at some point. But I know what I'm really doing most of the time: objectifying that woman. I might not be overtly thinking "man I want to sex that", but a lot of the time, my motivations aren't true. Does that make it porn? Probably not. Does it make it something that isn't safe for me right now? Probably. Will it ever be safe for me? Who knows.

    I've found myself looking at Netflix and saying "well, this is a mainstream/artistic movie in a particularly erotic genre, surely this doesn't count." But I would be lying to myself, I'd have started watching it purely for the titillation and trying to justify my actions. There's a movie and one scene in particular on Netflix that has fueled many of my fantasies. The movie is artistic and done for a (some might say flimsy) story, but it was so graphic that I was able to completely pull it out of the story, focus on that. However it has won awards at these art festivals because of the emotions it elicits and the insight into the human condition. It's definitely not the stereotypical porn and the graphic parts are maybe 1/30th of the movie. Does that make it porn? Maybe. Does it make it something that isn't safe for me right now? Absolutely. Will it ever be safe for me? Nope.

    TL;DR We set the rules we set for ourselves for our own good and that promote our goals. We can go around them with ease (or less, depending on your safeguards), but we can get around them regardless. While I'll probably watch some of these more mainstream movies (for instance, I watched Deadpool with my SO which has some nudity and some suggested sexual action) and shows, I know I'll be in trouble (with my personal goals) if I rewind it or rewatch it just for those seconds of flesh.
     
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  13. Moon Shot

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    I don't know. Maybe the distinction between 'P' and Eroticism is rather variable, and is different for different individuals. In the end, arousal is the goal, or rather, cheap entertainment...

    Honestly, there are so many good movies without any unnecessary scenes, that I think that, again, at least during the duration of a reboot, could be recommended over anything of the order of 'P.'
     
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