Gary Wilson says some people are permanently damaged

Hisself, may I ask, have you had any intimate encounters with women in the past 60 days, or so?

 

Well, she sounds like a nice girl - so I'd rectify that situation as soon as possible. As for the girl, if you do manage to reconcile - why not just try with her. Nothing to lose. Don't pressurise yourself, just relax.

Let her climb on top of you. Kiss your neck, bite your ear, unzip your trousers, give you a blowjob and see whether this will get you hard. I have faith you'll be fine.

 

Over the last 25 years, studies have shown that the brain has a remarkable ability to heal itself. Books like "The Brain That Changes Itself" (by Norman Doidge) highlight cases where people were diagnosed with lifelong disabilities and managed to make full recoveries. Even in cases where the brain has been physically damaged or entire areas shut down--other parts of the brain can be and have been trained to pick up the slack.

I will never submit to the conclusion that certain individuals have brains that are beyond recovery.

I know we all look up to Wilson, but he is not the final scientific word on brain chemistry and porn addiction.

 

This is very scary

 

First time I’ve ever heard about this too... and this thread is a year old lol.

Does anyone know if Gary ever elaborated on what he said since this video?

I don’t believe I am one of these permanent cases but still kind of alarming. I am very interested in why this was said and maybe a little background on these dudes stories to compare to mine.

 

I have had a tremendous amount of healing on this run and I would say I was a severe case, watching porn three times a day at my height. Erection difficulties since 2011. Withdrawal symptoms from what feels like 2011-2012.

You can recover if you are serious.

 

There is some old fashioned recovery literature for alcoholics that says some won't recover. And statistics say that some alcoholics stay sober and some don't. But I don't know. Today I did PMO 6 times in my relapse this morning. I'm almost 30. I'm probably permanently damaged but there are lots of other things that cause permanent damage or difficult-to-reverse damage, too. Some people even say that EMI causes cumulative damage. Male genital mutilation is irreversible damage. The brain is damaged by all sorts of traumas throughout life that are due to the industrial world and other insensitive people. I think my ability to bond with other people will probably never be restored. I feel very hopeless about it. I just have to do the "best I can with what I've got". My biggest worry about information like that would be that me or others will now think, "I'm damaged for life. There's no use in trying." Or just feel fear and anxiety in general. So I'm kind of trying to reassure myself that there's still some hope.

I do think that there are people (perhaps me) who might never achieve long term abstinence from PMO. Due to various factors outside my control. So its not a matter of choosing not to give it up. I might just not have that kind of choice in my life.

 

Can you post the link to that specific part of the video?

 

I think we're OK, it just might take more work. I remember a video from "your brain on porn " saying if you suffer from OCD do not attempt nofap at all but at that point I was like 50 days in.

I understand what he meant though. If you have OCD the flatlines will test evey fiber in your body. The compulsions will increase but If you have a good idea what OCD how to combat it and even a therapist you can over come those hard parts.

Right now my OCD is better then ever has been when I was faping pretty much very day. It's improving

Everyone different and everyone will heal in there own terms

 

Can you explain how does OCD affects your brain during NoFap? And how it prevents from the recovery?

 

Sure!

To break down OCD your doing these 3 things "Coping,checking controling" compulsions. Your mind throws a though at you and you do one of those things above to make sure of the uncertainty.

For example",( did I get contaminatied?)
Did I mess up a conversation? Does she hate me?)

And you will do a Coping,checking controling compulsions until you feel "right" (example checking a message multiple times, a mental check of what you touched etc)

Any one with OCD knows how hard it is to just let these thoughts pass and move on since you get extremely stressed out and your anxiety goes threw the roof.
If you let the thoughts pass and don't let them bug you, the thoughts have less control over you. Eventually you get better.


Here's were nofap plays in.

The problem with a lot of people was porn was there drug of choice. For example if I couldnt take the uncertainty I would fap to make it stop. Thanks to the huge dopamine rush any though or compulsion you had just vanishes. Mind you that's not a healthy way to cope with that. It makes it worse

When you try Nofap and stop fapping you don't have your crutch anymore. You have to face your OCD head on. When the flatline happens your OCD symptoms increases!
Not only are you dealing with all the flatline symptoms your also dealing with a mind throwing every thought at you in the book. That's what's make it so hard at first. But If you can learn to accept the thoughts and dont do your compulsions you can get threw it.

 

He has been in Istanbul in 2016, there was NoFap's forum site in Turkey, in that times I was an administrator on that forum and some people asked me can you translate for us. Actually this channel belongs to me, and while I was watching and putting this video I scared too much because I am one of the victim of choldhood abuse and I used porn for 10 years, also I am struggling to quit porn more than 5 years. But it is not necessary to be afraid. I think that everytime you fail, you can gain too. There are always second chance, it must. I had some long streaks, but I have to say that I have too much relapsee, too much edging with porn binges afterwards. And I had a successful reboot my previous streak in my 16. You have to know that, if you add more porn in your addiction history, it can be more difficult to reboot. In my 16 I had heal in 30 like days. But I can't heal this quickly. Every person is different, but there are some differences an individuals every reboot. I don't think I will heal in 30 days anymore because I damaged far more to my brain. There are really differences, when I relapsed after 5 months ALL NIGHT, and with other porn binges nothing was like the old one. I do not know if my brain gain AGAIN a new balance, return its sensitivity but I know brain is plastic and I have to go my road.

 

I think it can be true that permanent damage can take place.
I've been having sex the last 2 months but back in flatline due to orgasm.
Now I can't get hard at all.
I also never get morning wood.
I've barely seen improvement in this last month, just going backwards, I'd say these changes in brain chemistry are pretty irreversible from my experience so far.

 

He may be right. Decades of misuse can surely have long lasting adverse effects that may or may not heal. But I think it's like freak accidents. Rare and queer!

 

But how do you distinguish those that are permanently damaged with those that are not?
Porn has basically made us brain dead
I'm pretty sure mines permanent with the symptoms I've experienced

 

What does he mean for permanently damaged?

That you will have withdrawals forever? That you will never win porn addiction?
That you will always have social problems?

I think that that sentence gary said is not enough to get to any conclusion.
Someobe should send him an e mail and ask him to delve deeper into that sentence.

 

I think he means the reward circuit.
You've essentially killed the dopamine receptors so the rewards will be less for example pore erections, less excitement