Can someone explain why researchers say such a thing when it is absolutely false?

I have no idea what study you're referencing. People evolved to ejaculate, the effects depend on the situation. How frequent is "frequent"?

 

people evolved to eat also.....but if you spent all day long eating, you would begin to suffer. it is when things become addictive, thats when the problems will start to occur.

 

When I used to search a solution for PMO, I found a lot of MEDICAL and sometimes random articles that defend PMO as a random healthy habit that a person can do and they call PMO symptoms a myth. Like even once I watched a video on facebook about a therapy where the therapist (literally Masturbates ) for a lady considering it a type of meditation.
IMHO such things are either financed by some companies, organizations..etc. Or these editors lack knowledge and just copy what they read superficially.

 

They are lying about a lot of other things too. I still remember reading in health class as a kid that marijuana is 7 times worse for your health than cigarettes. (Obviously not accurate, but it was in official school textbooks) imagine all the other stuff we learn that isn't true.

 

I feel like the opposite is true for that statement

 

Hard to tell where your quoting from, but I think its becuase we live in a ‘post truth’ society where facts matter less then being right.

more and more, If it fits the ethics of society then its judged to be right even if its not. There are plenty of studies (I dont have links on my phone) that show detrimental effectsans many stories from people here, but that doesnt fit the narritive of sexual freedom that society as a whole wants you to believe.

People want justification for their actions, even if they are wrong and detrimental.

 

Bro they probably addicted them selves

 

Do you know if it's a causation versus a correlation? If so, how do you know?

 

No real long-term studies have ever been done on this subject. High speed internet pornography is a recent phenomenon. Masturbation isn't but I think it's fair to say that the majority of people has masturbated to porn.

Most of these studies only highlight acute effects. For instance they'll say things like "masturbation lowers blood pressure" or "masturbation promotes relaxation." But they always forget to do the long term follow-up where the subject abstains from masturbation. There's no real control group for some reason.

You know what else lowers blood pressure and promotes relaxation short term? Opioids, heroin, cocain, alcohol,... People believe what they choose to believe and scientists aren't any different.

The real harm here lies in the spreading of these falsities on a broader scale. These studies and scientific arguments are a tap on the shoulder of those who first discover porn and masturbation. Needless to say this just increases the risk of becoming addicted.

They're skeptic about everything else, just not when it comes to the pursuit of lust and idolatry. Wouldn't be too surprised if there were some kind of financial compensation going on in which the porn industry funds these scientific campaigns.

 

Yeah doctors and schools sex ed say pmoing every day is perfectly natural and youre just exploring your sexuality... Beginning to feel like alex jones thinking it's just some big conspiracy to numb our minds lol

 

I definitely think it's to keep us in a lower mind state. Tv is all sexualized now too.

 

Are you sure they said PMO and not just masturbation?

What I believe:

PMO = Very bad

MO 1-2 times a month (After being healed) = Ok but hard to control (sex with a loved one much better)

I may be wrong of course

 

You're quoting Wikipedia. It's a good source to quickly orient yourself in a topic but try to quote the actual research papers.

You should probably name those 10-20 "symptoms" before accusing someone of being wrong.

Yeah, researchers are ignorant but YOU know better . Not that it never happens but judging by your presentation I wouldn't bet on it. Everybody needs to stop with anti-intellectualism that's spreading like cancer all over the world. It says "Science-based, secular, and sex-positive." on the main page but people like you still come up with stupid ****. No wonder nobody outside takes Nofap seriously.

 

Wikipedia is a very poor source for accurate information related to sexuality. The primary problem with this type of discussion is the failure to separate four distinct entities:

1. porn use
2. masturbation
3. orgasm
4. sexual intercourse

Most populous articles, and this thread, conflate all 4, while research distinguishes the 4 from each other - if done well.

For example, masturbation is not related to positive health outcomes, yet sexual intercourse is correlated with many positive outcomes. put simply, many of the so-called health benefits claimed to be associated with orgasm or masturbation are in fact associated with close contact with another human being, not orgasm/masturbation. More specifically, claimed correlations between a few isolated health indicators and orgasm (if true) are probably just correlations arising from healthier populations that naturally engage in more sex and masturbation. They are not causal. Relevant studies:

The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities (2010) found that sexual intercourse was related to positive effects, while masturbation was not. In some cases masturbation was negatively related to health benefits - meaning that more masturbation correlated with poorer health indicators. The conclusion of the review:

"Based upon a broad range of methods, samples, and measures, the research findings are remarkably consistent in demonstrating that one sexual activity (Penile-Vaginal Intercourse and the orgasmic response to it) is associated with, and in some cases, causes processes associated with better psychological and physical functioning."

"Other sexual behaviors (including when Penile-Vaginal Intercourse is impaired, as with condoms or distraction away from the penile–vaginal sensations) are unassociated, or in some cases (such as masturbation and anal intercourse) inversely associated with better psychological and physical functioning."​

"Sexual medicine, sex education, sex therapy, and sex research should disseminate details of the health benefits of specifically Penile-Vaginal Intercourse, and also become much more specific in their respective assessment and intervention practices."​

Also see this short review of masturbation and health indices: Masturbation is Related to Psychopathology and Prostate Dysfunction: Comment on Quinsey (2012)

It is difficult to reconcile the view that masturbation improves mood with the findings in both sexes that greater masturbation frequency is associated with more depressive symptoms (Cyranowski et al., 2004; Frohlich & Meston, 2002;Husted&Edwards, 1976), less happiness (Das, 2007), and several other indicators of poorer physical and mental health, which include anxious attachment (Costa & Brody, 2011),immature psychological defense mechanisms, greater blood pressure reactivity to stress, and dissatisfaction with one's mental health and life in general (for a review, see Brody, 2010). It is equally difficult to see how masturbation develops sexual interests, when greater masturbation frequency is so often associated with impaired sexual function in men(Brody& Costa, 2009; Das, Parish, & Laumann, 2009; Gerressu, Mercer, Graham, Wellings, & Johnson, 2008; Lau, Wang, Cheng, & Yang, 2005; Nutter & Condron, 1985) and women (Brody &Costa, 2009;Das et al., 2009;Gerressu et al., 2008;Lau,Cheng, Wang, & Yang, 2006; Shaeer, Shaeer, & Shaeer, 2012;Weiss& Brody, 2009). Greater masturbation frequency is also associated with more dissatisfaction with relationships and less love for partners (Brody, 2010; Brody & Costa, 2009). In contrast, PVI is very consistently related to better health (Brody, 2010; Brody & Costa, 2009; Brody &Weiss, 2011; Costa & Brody, 2011, 2012), better sexual function (Brody & Costa, 2009; Brody & Weiss, 2011; Nutter & Condron, 1983, 1985;Weiss&Brody, 2009), and better intimate relationship quality (Brody, 2010; Brody & Costa, 2009; Brody &Weiss, 2011).

Moreover, although less risk of prostate cancer was associated with greater number of ejaculations (without specification of the sexual behavior) (Giles et al., 2003) [Note conflicting evidence, however: "Prostate cancer may be linked to sex hormones: Men who are more sexually active in their 20s and 30s may run a higher risk of prostate cancer, research suggests."], it is PVI frequency that is specifically associated with reduced risk, whereas masturbation frequency is more often related to increased risk (for a review on the subject, see Brody,2010). In this regard, it is interesting to note that masturbation is also associated with other problems of the prostate (higher prostate specific antigen levels and swollen or tender prostate) and, compared with the ejaculate obtained from PVI, the ejaculate obtained from masturbation has markers of poorer prostatic function and lesser elimination of waste products (Brody, 2010). The only sexual behavior consistently related to better psychological and physical health is PVI. In contrast, masturbation is frequently associated with indices of poorer health (Brody, 2010; Brody & Costa, 2009; Brody & Weiss, 2011; Costa & Brody, 2011, 2012). There are several possible psychological and physiological mechanisms, which are a likely consequence of natural selection favoring health processes as cause and/or effect of motivation to search for, and capacity to obtain and enjoy, PVI. In contrast, selection of psychobiological mechanisms rewarding motivation to masturbate is unlikely due to the severe fitness costs that would occur if it deterred one from PVI by making it irrelevant for well-being (Brody, 2010). More plausibly, masturbation represents some failure of the mechanisms of sexual drive and intimate relatedness, however common it may be, and even if not uncommonly it coexists with access to PVI. In this regard, it is noteworthy that greater masturbation frequency is associated with dissatisfaction with several aspects of life independently of PVI frequency (Brody& Costa, 2009) and seems to diminish some benefits of PVI (Brody, 2010).​

Finally see this PDF – Social, Emotional, and Relational Distinctions in Patterns of Recent Masturbation Among Young Adults (2014)

"So, how happy are respondents who masturbate recently when compared with those who have not? Figure 5 reveals that among those respondents who reported being “very unhappy” with their life these days, 68 percent of women and 84 percent of men said they had masturbated within the past week. The modest association with unhappiness appears linear among men, but not women. Our point is not to suggest that masturbation makes people unhappy. It may, but the cross-sectional nature of the data does not allow us to evaluate this. However, it is empirically accurate to say that men who claim to be happy are somewhat less apt to report masturbating recently than unhappy men."

"Masturbation is also associated with reporting feelings of inadequacy or fear in relationships and difficulties in navigating interpersonal relationships successfully. Past-day and past-week masturbators exhibit significantly higher relationship anxiety scale scores than do respondents who did not report masturbating in the past day or in the past week. Past-day and past-week masturbators exhibit significantly higher relationship anxiety scale scores than do respondents who did not report masturbating in the past day or in the past week."​

 

This is what the debate should look like. Thanks.

I'm quite shocked to see how many studies have found masturbation to be less-than-optimal for health. It's not exactly what OP was on about but Wikipedia's entry on masturbation fails to mention any of this. Might be worthwhile to edit it.

 

Just to mention, the claims about prostate cancer and ejaculation are not so clear cut. Here's a short article on SASH website:
Masturbation, Recovery and Sexual Health