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No, wetdreams are not "natural"

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Koldhand, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. Jason_Tesla_19

    Jason_Tesla_19 Fapstronaut

    It takes the brain about 14 days to stabilize its neurochemistry, but that has nothing to do with sperm supplies. Males can ejaculate about twice a week without reducing their sperm counts.

    Wet dreams are a pressure release valve, at least for men. Some people's bodies can break down old sperm as fast as they are producing new, and some can't. Wet dreams help prevent long-term damage. I don't know what purpose female wet dreams have, other than the brain getting its O fix.

    I never masturbated or watched porn before I had my first wet dream at 12. I recently had a wet dream after 40 days without any ejaculation, and I suffered no ill effects (except chaser effect) on things like my libido or energy levels or mood, unlike (P)MO. You can't tell me wet dreams aren't natural or unhealthy.

    Telling everyone they can't debate you on something sounds very narcissistic. Now if you are completely closed-minded, then it's pointless to debate you.
     
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  2. Koldhand

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    Still, no one has refuted the fact that the ONLY biological function of semen is to inseminate females.

    We need to take the necessary precautions to avoid wasting our precious liquid on our sheets. We need to do whatever it takes to preserve our life force.

    I started nofap 2016, last year I went full Monk Mode with success for 100 + days but I was haunted by wetdreams almost weekly. I started reading older literature on the subject and realized that wetdreams were in fact not natural at all.

    Waking up early is a big one. But the biggest Redpill is identifying when we dream of something sexual and force ourselves to wake up AND stay awake after. I have another method that works and is the reason why I haven't orgasmed in all of 2018 but it's rather controversial
     
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  3. Of course the only biological function of semen, or sperm, is to inseminate females. Nobody's arguing that it's not. But "sex" is more than just reproducing. It can be about pleasure, fun, and intimacy, or in the case of wet dreams, release. It would be ridiculous to say to a man and woman in a committed relationship, "You can only have sex for the purpose of reproducing". Your position is a moral one because you are clinging to an ideal of purity
     
  4. Pastor Preston

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    I also think wet dreams are natural. What I said was my own interpretation of the OP's standpoint.

    On your point about frequency of sex. My question is, "In a perfect and totally natural world, would it be like this?"

    Also, yes, I understand what you're saying. Wet dream: man juice :: pooping: poop. lol.
     
  5. I find the OP's position on the matter to be correct, yet stated controversially and inadequately. If i can I'd like to share my view on the matter..
    Wet dreams are both complicated and highly specific to each individual. Now we are in the transmutation/retention section so i hope i have an audience at least somewhat open minded here.
    Wet dreams occur because of repressed thoughts/desires AND an inability to transmute the body's vital essence(semen).
    Wet dreams are "natural" but not optimal. The simple fact is overwhelmingly large portions of people are both physically and mentally incapable of transmutation. What we are talking about here isn't knowledge that an everyday person has or is ready to hear. If you are of the stance "if i can't see it or prove it empirically with evidence, it isn't real;" you should stop reading. < i find this ideology both hypocritical and narrow minded because without the broad/abstract thinking of great minds science & technological progress would never progress. A.k.a. just because it isn't in your direct experience doesn't mean it isn't real.
    Ok, so what I'm getting at is once you begin flirting with things like control of your sexual urges, retention, transmutation you are now stepping into a world that is metaphysical and psycological.
    The wet dream occurs YES to prevent damage, release pent up sexual energy, and to subconsciously fufill repressed desires.
    This is not me taking a moral stance. This is what I've come to understand about it.
    However this is not the optimal way for a person to exist as it is sort of a 'short circuit' in the bodies transmutation process.
    That's all the further ill go into it as the reasons vary for each individual. So i find the OPs post to be both true, yet overstated and aggresive.
     
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  6. Koldhand

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    "Wet dreams occur because of repressed thoughts/desires AND an inability to transmute the body's vital essence(semen).
    Wet dreams are "natural" but not optimal."

    THIS is what I mean!


    And I agree. I could have put it better, sure, but was frustrated with the "excess semen" BS.

    Please post more about what you know about transmutation.
     
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  7. Haha i figured, & i wasn't trying to call you out either! I wanted to try and help clarify. I know it can get frustrating when there's alot of embraced misconceptions. So while wetdreams are technically a *natural way for the body to dispose of a "overflowing dam", it isn't the optimal way or best way for a human to exist. It's actually pointing to something wrong in the physiological standing of that individual. -albiet from a metaphysical standpoint. From a regular persons view who has no interest in beyond what their 5 basic senses tell them- this sounds absurd to that man.
    So your audience wherever you go with things like this are going to be small indeed. Just know what you know and search within yourself. Trying to convince others is an exercise in futility-entirely.
    The man with red tinted glasses is going to tell you with 100% certainty the world is red. Until he himself chooses to take them off(open his mind) nothing you say or do will convince him otherwise.
     
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  8. Koldhand

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    I understand that this might sound confusing to most people. Metaphysical or not I really think you are on to something. Could you please elaborate on the psychological problems of people that get reoccurring wet dreams?
     
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    Whoa! That sound like some sort of metaphysical principle - could you please enlighten us more on this?
     
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  10. zestyy

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    I agree with OP. Even in the Astral World, we can succumb to lower energy. I believe that these lower forms of energy feed off of this desire and ejaculate. One must learn to become aware in his dreams, control them, become lucid, and resist the temptations to have sexual encounters in the astral world.
     
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  11. This is certainly the case as well. However @zestyy coming outright with this information is likely to cause many people to shut down immediately which is why i just said "and inability physically or psycologically to transmute", to try and ease the blow.
    @FX-05 i can share with you some basics because this topic can cover entire books and isn't likely to be fully understood out the gates. I hope your in for a little reading, ill do my best to condense.

    We have to start with physics. It is a known fact amoungst the science community that quantum physics defies all previously held notions of a concrete reality. From Einstein's discovery of relativity to today we have yet to reconcile the two sciences. Quantum physics, in a nutshell, tells us atoms/microscopic pieces of matter, are constantly jumping in an out of existence.(at all times). Also confirmed to the terror of the hardcore empirical scientists of the west is the very real and now proven fact that the act of observing something actually changes the way it behaves. Yes you read that right, using photons humanity has proven that the very act of observing something changes the nature of that thing and how it behaves. Moving on..
    You're thoughts can be measured as having actual electromagnetic impulses.Not only your brain, but your entire body has an electric field. Being an electric field, all those overlying electric wave patterns that comprise your brain waves are governed by the same equations governing the electromagnetic spectrum, light, particles and everything else in the universe.
    Now we see our thoughts, and even our feelings shape and are directly connected to the world as we know it. In other words what you feel & think actually change the world you live in. "When you change the way you see things the things you see change."- has a much deeper meaning.

    Onto transmutation. The idea is that throughout the body there are 10,000 channels of energy, they go by many various names but one of the common ones is Nadi Channels. These channels connect at 7 major bigger channels referred to as chakras, and each chakra has a distinct function and purpose in the human body that regulates various emotions.
    The Great-Way, or turning lead into gold, or Alchemy, whatever of the 100 names you call it, is the act of opening up all these channels in the body, therefore changing the vibratory state in which we exist. (We have already established all matter is various vibrating energy.) All of it. Even your thoughts hold energy.
    When a person is unable to transmute the incredible power that is the vital essence.(semen) That means there are channels in that persons body which are blocked, or ideas/entities in that persons sublte energy field that are preventing this.
    They come in the forms of dreams when our primary consciousness is asleep & where 98% of people have 0 impulse control over themselves. They arouse us to spill this energy out and wasting the many benefits it can hold, including overcoming our biggest fears, attachments & desires.
    PLEASE UNDERSTAND, if one cannot transmute this energy it is better to casually release once every month to prevent damage to the body. The repression of sexuality is NOT the goal. The changing of this energy into other forms is. We see this applied in 2 groups.
    1. The person who accepts, applies, fails, learns & strives. Repeatedly & steadily growing lovingly with themselves, not repressing their sexuality yet also showing self control.
    2. And the person/monk who views this sexual energy as impure and therefore denies, represses, perverts, and eventually destroys.
    The understanding that dreams are not merely random categorizing and processing of the days events is very upsetting to people and most will deny it. But the reality of it is, we spend a third of our lives asleep and every single ancient culture across the world(who were much more connected to nature and harmonious living with the planet than we are today) understood dreams are another plane in which we are also existing, unrestricted by the 3rd dimension. They used this understanding to decipher both themselves and the problems around them in the various symbols and situations in those dreams, helping them understand progressively deeper truths and leading to higher vibratory existence within their electromagnetic field.
    If we want to learn to transmute we have to learn to accomplish many other things first.
    It's silly in a way even have a conversation-thread about transmutation as this is an advanced stage. It's like looking at the Pro's in any sport saying "how come i can't do that?" And the person has only read the rules of the game, let alone even practiced.

    There's only so much one can share and then the learning has to start from ones own self, or else i just constantly put you in a postion to either believe me or not.
    Don't believe me, go find out for yourself. It's the only way.
     
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  12. zestyy

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    Excellent post! I agree it would be wiser to learn to control the sexual energy than to repress it entirely, as that energy has nowhere to go.
     
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  13. Clean Plate

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    Why do we have wet dreams then?
    Please dont give me personal opinions. Give me facts based on science, better yet, link me sources to them.
     
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  14. zestyy

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    You will not find the answers you are looking for in mainstream scientific literature. Dreams are still a mystery to the science community.

    I know you specifically asked for a non-opinionated answer, but I believe dreams allow us to disconnect from this lower plane of existence and get a taste of the astral world, which is simply a higher-vibrating level of reality. Everything around us, matter, air, water, our cells, are all made of energy vibrating at different speeds. That is all reality is.

    So when you retain your semen, which is very high energy, that power is eventually absorbed by the body resulting in "superpowers" and such.
     
  15. zestyy

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    Thoughts on dopamine, anyone? I believe Nofap benefits have little to do with dopamine and more to do with an increase in nutrition due to the preservation of semen, which I would classify as a superfood.

    "Dopamine is not a “reward” chemical. That’s not actually the way our body uses it. First, like all things in our body, dopamine serves many purposes. It serves as a vasodilator, expanding blood vessels in our body. Loss of dopamine results in Parkinsonian conditions, a degenerative neuromuscular disorder. Most antipsychotic drugs work by inhibiting the function of dopamine, not because its “reward” makes people hallucinate, but because the brains of people with schizophrenia may be overly sensitive to the effects of dopamine. ADHD (Attention-deficit and hyperactivity disorder) may involve, in part, decreased dopamine activity, where parts of the brain aren’t working well enough to constrain attention and resist impulses. Dopamine serves many complex functions in the brain, and only kindergarten brain science describes it as an addictive drug.

    Dopamine is connected to rewarding experiences, but not in that it makes you feel good. On Twitter recently, a man challenged me saying that pornography “gives me a palpable dopamine rush after he abstains for a few days.” I replied that this was fascinating, and he must be a thoroughly unique and superhuman person, to be able to detect and discriminate the experience of different neurochemicals. Pleasurable experiences, whether sex or sports, involve many different neurochemicals and hormones released in our body, having complex and interactive effects."



    This is not to argue that porn or constant sexual stimulation is somehow good for you, though. But... what if one could learn to enjoy sexual pleasure with his partner while retaining his semen? That would be ideal, no?
     
  16. Clean Plate

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    If it cant be tested using science then its very hard to convince me mate. Good try though.
    Yeah, until science can prove that, its all up in the air man.
     
  17. zestyy

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    I don't appreciate the condescending attitude. I also don't think it's very appropriate to ask people to "convince you" of something and demand they show you proof, especially when you have nothing to offer of your own. I am not trying to convince you of anything-- I am simply having a discussion. It is naive to refuse to discuss these things based on flimsy premises.

    Science is not a body but a way of thinking. When applied properly it can be used to infer things about the natural, and unnatural, world. Our current technology is still way behind the mechanisms of the human body, so it's only natural to assume there are still many things to be learned about our reality and existence.

    Have you ever had a lucid (very vivid) dream? Or an out of body experience? Until you have you cannot disprove the existence of the astral realm. Science and the spirit have been moving closer and closer together for millennia.
     
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  18. Clean Plate

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    This is a debate. I want you to give me facts yet you still give me personal opinions.
    Science is knowing how things work based on experimentation and observation.
    I agree but until science shows me its real Ill believe it.
    I have not. I did however have a bad 3 day trip where I saw unreal things (hallucinations). Other than that ill go by the phrase "seeing is believing."
     
  19. zestyy

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    Okay then, fair enough. But where is the science saying that wet dreams are natural? How would one even argue if something is natural or not? Just because something happens does not mean it would happen everytime, or to everyone. Most people are unaware they can exert control in their dreams. I believe nocturnal emissions are a choice based on the fact you can control what you do and see in a dream (sometimes.)

    It's definitely hard to argue about something intangible until you experience it.
     
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  20. Clean Plate

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    Thats what I will try to find out. Ive been busy but Ill look into it now. I want to see if there have been any studies into this. A good resource is yourbrainonporn.com.
     
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