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Is Moderation Possible?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Deleted Account, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Is moderation with PMO possible? Or does it have to be all or nothing?

    I've always found myself caught between two opposing forces. The desire for PMO on the one hand, and the guilt/shame on the other hand. Ever hear of Freud's ideas of the Id, Superego, and Ego? The Id corresponds to our unconscious desires and how to satisfy them, it corresponds to the desire for PMO. The Superego is the overbearing rule-maker, and causes our guilt/shame. The Ego is the mediator.

    I've also found that, while I get a sick satisfaction out of PMO, I also get a sick satisfaction out of the "atonement" phase where I feel sorry for myself, talk about how bad I feel, how I regret what I did, how I'm going to change, etc. And of course I really believe all that stuff, because it is flattering to think I'm atoning. But it only lasts until the next PMO episode. I don't know if there's a way out of the cycle, which is why maybe moderation is called for between the two sides? Not letting either of them win? Worried that a longer reboot would be giving in to the Superego's demands?

    I say all this in the context of having to reset my NoFap streak, again. I had a streak of 11 days, and then PMO's last night. My justification for PMO was just wanting to stick it to all the guilt/shame/superego, obviously getting a sick satisfaction out of that as well. Not to mention PMO once in 11 days is better than once every day. Of course, where does it go from here. Don't know if being able to moderate these two sides in my mind will help. I am thinking of seeing a psychoanalyst for therapy too as opposed to the more standard therapy approaches here in the US
     
  2. talontron

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  3. Mister Fire

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    Drug addict: "Is moderation with cocaine possible ?".Sounds like bullshit doesn' it ?
     
  4. As i said in an old post of yours ( named „ is porn „art” ” ) you are a smart and insightful person. A philosopher. But in the matter of porn, the philosophy of it is not going to give you the results that you want. In my opinion, the answer it is simple: No, because you cant be moderate with a drug. I really hope you found your way because you seem to be a nice person.
     
  5. 5adn8m8

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    Hello buddy. I hope you're doing OK.
    I'd say it's up to you... a lot of people can come here and say how it's impossible to do so and you would still want to try it. So go for it and give that MODERATION idea a try... it might work or it might not... and if it didn't work it would just delay your recovery but after doing it you'll be more aware. and this doubt won't stick in your mind.
    To be honest I really thought it's possible for me to do it in moderation, but it got even worse... That is how addictions work... they got more severe as time goes by...but there are exceptions too. It's really different for everyone.

    I been reading a lot of TCM material lately and I have to confess it's such an amazing thing. I suggest you to read them and learn about it as much as you can. PMO damages our kidney Q and overall health. Hair loss, brain fog, pimples, feeling constantly tired, knee pain, waist pain, and lack of power in muscles are all some of damaged kidney Q symptoms. this is so true and even science is proving TCM. I just wanted to give a start for reading this subject... this really helped me to increase both my knowledge and motivation to reboot.
    Hope this helps and good luck.
    Life loves you.
     
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  6. Thanks guys. I'm encouraged that my relapse only lasted two days, was able to abstain yesterday. Have a new strategy I'm trying, no internet after 8pm, put computer out of sight, sit in different spots around my apartment, have activities to do, check in with my accountability partners every evening, maybe find some place to go hang out outside of my apartment. It's the 2-3 hour window before bed when I'm most likely to PMO, so if I can get through that, I'm fine. That's not a long time to get through each day. Appreciate the support. Want to take it one day at a time
     
  7. 5adn8m8

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    Good luck...One day at a time is certainly the best way to deal with this addiction.
     
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  8. I've been listening some more to Gary Wilson about porn addiction. From his perspective, if you've ever been a porn addict, using ANY porn is a bad idea, even if in moderation because it reactivates or further entrenches the neural pathways in the brain. So I guess while moderation may be fine from a philosophical point of view, it's not fine from a physiological point of view. Furthermore binges tend to be worse when porn use is spread out, something I've definitely experienced. So that really answers my question for me. Thanks everyone
     
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  9. outlander.9

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    I'm new to this myself but knowing how addictions play out I'm also gonna also say it's probably not a great idea.

    I think that given a great deal of time and success, you can PROBABLY partake in PMO once in blue moon and not have it be catastrophic to your progress. However that's pretty dangerous territory as any alcoholic or drug addict will tell you.

    Better option, probably: get to a point where you can view porn incidentally or stumble across it and not just be triggered to masturbate. I don't think anyone should make porn viewing a habit but it's a goal of mine to be able to live in a world where it exists and be in control over it. I personally don't wanna end up like one of those alcoholics who is terrified to drink a sip of champagne during a wedding toast but it's important that we be honest with ourselves: maybe right now it's gotta be locked down like that but that just means you gotta do some personal development along the way to get to where it's no longer an issue.

    And also honest enough not to bargain with ourselves along the way: for instance, some tasteful erotic art is not the same as a hardcore porn video, but if you know that you're vulnerable to taking it too far then its best left alone for the forseeable future.

    just my 2 cents
     
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  10. Wario32

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    It just doesn't work, I edged a bit on 19 day streak and I just wasn't able to recover. Your jump bombarded with p though unless you edge again or finally relapse
     
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  11. Dudes_manrod

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    I appreciate you voicing this same worry I've had! We live in a a world where it is, let's say "functionally" impossible to avoid viewing Pornography at some point throughout our day to day lives. Even if this isn't necessarily websites or videos, if we define Pornography as any media produced with the intent of being sexually stimulating, the idea that we will just magically never come into contact with it becomes less and less believable. And at face value that thought at times gave me a dreadful feeling toward the ability of success with correcting my PMO habits.

    Our natural processes of attraction and sexuality aren't something we have to unilaterally avoid for life, but i think in line with your comment they are something to be managed and carefully tended with loving self-discipline until they can be expressed in a healthy way.
     
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