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couple thoughts and issues

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Drock989, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Drock989

    Drock989 Fapstronaut

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    so I'm currently no day 44 I believe no pm, and I have not watched porn for about 5 months, I myself don't get much of any urges to watch porn but masturbating is a different story, I find myself constantly battling in my head that it is actually healthy to masturbate as a lot of therapists and doctors say so, I have a decent grasp on fighting those urges, but then I start that same argument in my mind,

    also, im having difficulty telling the difference between libido and urges, I've always thought I had a huge libido but time away from p has told of otherwise, I would love to initiate sex with my wife(we have had sex 4 times since my reset) but on the other hand I don't want it to be because I have an urge to masturbate, because I would much rather have her. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.... help?
     
  2. I would hope that intimacy has been growing since you started and your connection with each other growing also.
    If she doesn't know about what you are trying to accomplish this would be holding you back in several ways. Not to mention as a couple it's only fair she knows what is going on.
    Best wishes for you both brother.
     
  3. Drock989

    Drock989 Fapstronaut

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    it started off as just the p was a big deal, she felt betrayed, confused, due to the fact that my p usage got the best of me and led me down a path of online affairs, and ts fantasies, those I can assure you are now a thing of my past, we have definitely grown intimately and have bonded throughout this process and continue to do so. I have also told her that my urges consist of like 95% just wanting to masturbate, and that very seldom have an urge for porn,(we have come to an agreement that porn is cheating), also those urges to masturbate come once a week or so, and I have been able to control them by bettering my life in other aspects.

    if able to control it and become at peace with the past, is it ok to masturbate? also understanding that it could be a very slippery slope
     
  4. It's great to hear you are open with her.
    I will say that masturbating is stealing your drive and energy that could be focused on time together with her. I have experienced much more desire for being with my wife even on energy level, not to mention everything else that goes with an intimate relationship.
     
  5. Drock989

    Drock989 Fapstronaut

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    I wouldn't say it's stealing my drive, in the last 2 months I have made huge leaps forward in becoming the man I know I was born to be, the man I THOUGHT I was before, and it feels great, I love it when she tells me she is proud of me and appreciates all the work I have been doing, I hope it just isn't my mind trying to rationalize masturbating
     
  6. If you are aware you can face the rationalizing. You got this.
     
  7. Drock989

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    just had a thought, what is the exact definition of rationalize? to find something good which suits you in a bad situation?

    all my rationalizations I made to get to this point were horrible, ''well she's not real'', ''it's not physical'','' I would never do that in real life'', ''why shouldn't I?'', '' it's not hurting anyone'' or the worst one ever..''if I don't say anything, it's not lying''

    so I guess if I talk to my wife before hand and we come to an agreement, it all depends on the relationship and boundaries?
     
  8. Yes, that second paragraph is what I would do also.
    All these relationship things should be done as a couple because you are a couple. Through this we were able to grow closer to each other than we ever had been before. It is sad that it had to come about this way but also a blessing.
     
  9. Drock989

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    I agree, me and my wife have genuinely deep conversations that we would have never had, i.e., I now have a relationship with my father who I have been disowning for most of my life
     
  10. Great to hear. Growth is a good thing.
     
  11. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    Rationalization, in this context, is a type of cognitive distortion where you come up with an argument to justify something that you actually believe is against your values or your self-interest. I would say that you should talk with your wife and come up with a hard line on masturbation, the way you did with porn. Leaving room for interpretation is what gets you into trouble, because it gives you permission to try to rationalize. You can't rationalize looking at porn, because you already know that whatever argument you come up with, it's still cheating - that's a hard line you cannot cross.

    So set some ground rules with yourself on masturbation, and let your wife help you with them. The best defense against rationalization is getting input from someone you trust, because they will spot your self-deluding, BS arguments instantly and help you make better decisions. Once you have a clear definition of when masturbation is okay and when it is not, and have committed to your wife that you will stick with your rules (just like you do with porn), I think you will find it easier to avoid rationalizing your urges.
     
  12. Drock989

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    thanks for that, you make very valid points, usually when we have deep talks she is the one who initiates them, like 80% of the time, we are also practicing transparency in our relationship, so that being said I think I Will talk to my sponsor about it then initiate the conversation with her, I do know my sponsor will say it's bad and addictive which can lead to further acting out and I agree,(that's why most of us are here) but on the other hand I also think it depends on the relationship itself and where boundaries come in to play, bringing issues/struggles up to her is always hard but I know it's what she wants most of all is complete transparency and honesty,

    she said if I do fuck up, don't hide it and just be honest because lying is what hurt her the most, and she accepts the fact that I might(but doesn't want me to obviously) and I'm not using that as a way out,
     
  13. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    I don't know your wife, but given that you've struggled with transparency and she initiates most discussions, I bet that you bringing up this issue and asking for her help in setting boundaries for yourself, without having already effed up and needing forgiveness, would mean more to her than all the diamonds in Africa. Just my guess.
     
  14. Drock989

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    amen to that, the saying ''it's easier to ask for permission than to beg for forgiveness'' says it all, with a couple differences I suppose

    but you are right, I know she will be glad I'm coming to her,

    after all, some of us are here because we didn't go to our wives/s.o, in a time of need,, well not anymore!!!
     
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