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Pros and Cons of Hard Mode

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Pellaeon, Feb 9, 2015.

  1. Pellaeon

    Pellaeon Fapstronaut

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    Based off the promotional material from the reboot camp and some other threads I've been reading from rebootnation, I'm considering going hard mode. Before I make my decision, however, I want to make sure I've fully considered the ramifications.

    To give context- there's a good chance that even if I don't pledge to hard mode, I won't get any opportunities for sex. Currently, I only get a date about once every two months. It used to be that I has to approach women every day in order to make that happen. This past date, however, came about unexpectedly through social circle at almost exactly the two month mark (with that being said, I still had to consciously put in all the effort to make it happen).

    Nonetheless, my sexual history seems to be marked fairly heavily by Murphy's law - when I pursue dating, opportunities fail to present themselves. When I turn my back on it, they come out of the woodwork and dangle themselves in front of me (usually only to be yanked away once the temptation feels too strong and I actually try to capitalize). Likewise, I've noticed extreme internal pushback when I decide to say "fuck it, I'm done with woman," leading up to severe bitterness. This last part, however, happened when I said I was done with women forever. I'm not sure if that bitterness will well up when committing to temporary abstinence.

    Anyway, I've made the following pros and cons list. I'm interested in input from others - especially those who have personally attempted hard mode - to help with any facets I may have left out.

    Short term pros:
    - Much less likely to trigger
    - Can focus all my effort entirely on self-improvement without dating distractions
    - No second guessing whether or not I should be approaching women
    - The timing works well with the fact that I will be working lots od overtime in the coming months

    Long term pros:
    - increase chances of making this my final attempt to reboot
    - increase chances that the 90 day reboot will cure my PIED
    - Build complete confidence that I can be happy without women in my life so I'm not tempted when a woman wants me to be monogamous

    Short term cons:
    - Might stir up bitterness
    - Have to turn away any opportunities for sex
    - Potentially stronger cravings
    - Experience Internal resistance against new restrictions
    - Might have to face peer pressure from friends to 'hit it' should an opportunity present itself

    Long term cons
    - Risk losing a social circle prospect should one present an opportunity and I turn them down
    - Potential regret over missed opportunities should they arise
     
  2. Diesel74

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    Cons of Hardmode:
    -Pain! Lots of pain!
    -depression, crying for no reason.
    -anger, very short fuse
    -cravings, sex, food, whatever!
    -trouble sleeping
    -hard to sit still

    Pros-too many to list, but here are the big ones.
    -More energy, motivation.
    -muscle gain, fat loss
    -emotions come back to life.
    -feel warmer and brain works faster.
    -less paranoia and fear.
     
  3. Chris1052

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    How long do those Cons last? Those pros don't seem to outweigh the cons by much...Sounds like anti-depressant medication side effects, this may make you happier, but you won't sleep, won't be able to get your dick up, and will gain weight, etc. etc.....
     
  4. Pellaeon

    Pellaeon Fapstronaut

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    Are you listing the pros and cons of rebooting in general? Perhaps I should have clarified - I'm doing the 90 day reboot - that's not in question. The question is whether I decide to eschew any opportunities for sex and, realistically, dating for that matter as I see no reason to put myself in a situation where I will be tempted to have sex.

    To help put things further into perspective: I've already managed to go 45 days without P, M, and O during a previous attempt. There's a good chance that even if I choose to go "easy mode" that I will be unable to obtain sex anyway (in a sense, a de facto hard mode). But there's always a chance I might "get lucky," so what we're discussing is the pros and cons of choosing to walk away from those situations should they arise.

    So with that in mind, does your pros and cons list stand as is?
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2015
  5. Diesel74

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    Chris: First off, these are what I logged during my reboot. Im on day 80 hardmode. As of today, the experiance was more 'bad' than 'good'. But only because I just started. The positive effects will amplify as time goes on. The good news is most of cons tappered off slowely and I no longer experience most the cons. Except for, the muscle soreness, I still have pain from that and I am still bulking up. The symptoms associated with Hardmode are very simular to any drug addiction.

    Palleon: Its entirely up to you whether you want to do hardmode or not. It depends on your reasons for quitting. If your goal is to get a girl friend, then no PMO is right for you. If your trying to overcome a sex addiction, then Hardmode is the way to go. As for weight gain, if your having regular sex, you won't gain as much.
     
  6. Immor

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    You mean similar to the withdrawal from such a drug addiction.
    I didn't experience quite as many cons, but yes, it can be though.
    How do you blame muscle soreness on nofap? I have faster recovery times if anything.
     
  7. Diesel74

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    Yep, similar to the withdrawls of a drug addiction. The muscle soreness, is because, my muscles had partially antrophened from low testosterone caused by years of excessive masterbation.

    Everyones symptoms and benefits will be unique. These were mine.
     
  8. IGY

    IGY Guest

    This list is not really a response to your conundrum Pellaeon. This is not a list of doing 90 days NoFap without sex vs doing 90 days NoFap with sex. In respect of what you are asking, this post is completely misleading.
     
  9. Diesel74

    Diesel74 Fapstronaut

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    What are trying to say? Because your statement is completely unproductive. At least I was trying to help. Do we have a problem?
     
  10. A.W

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    I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to have sex with a beautiful woman for 'hardmode'. After you have sex, just be careful the chaser effect doesn't lead you back to PMO. You get good results quitting PMO while having sex. You still go through all the same stages and processes as someone doing 'hardmode'.
     
  11. Diesel74

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    I apoligize Palleon if I did not fully address your question.

    IGY, please PM if you choose to discuss this further.
     
  12. michgem0707

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    Palleaon, I am 61 days hard mode. It is much harder but I have not had many con's to doing the hard mode. If I can do two more weeks, that is my hard mode main goal. Then is my wife's birthday.
     
  13. Pellaeon

    Pellaeon Fapstronaut

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    Thanks everyone for chiming in.

    @Diesel IGY is correct - I was looking for pros and cons of rebooting with access to sex versus rebooting without access to sex, but the list you gave seems to focus mainly on the pros and cons of rebooting in general. With that being said, I was able to pull some value from it in that it didn't seem like you had any extra cons to mention for taking it a step further to "hard mode."

    After reviewing the replies here and discussing things with my roommate, I've decided that I'm going to go forward with committing to hard mode. Ill make it official in my reboot journal.

    Thanks again everyone!

    @michgem just wanted to give you a particular call out since you answered my question directly. Congrats on 61 days! I'm rooting for you to make it to your wife's birthday :)
     

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