Incels or 'nice guys' (involuntarily celibates) has porn/media affected their view on females?

I did something nice for you, SO NOW YOU OWE ME!

 

My favorite r/niceguys videos are from SorrowTV on YouTube. Hes so hilarious.

 

I didn't even know nice girls were a thing before I saw his channel. I use to be one of those nice guys too. I was sooo delusional. Had NO idea I was doing anything wrong. It killed me inside when someone finally gave me the hard truth, but I really believe I'm better because of it.

 

It's nice that the whole "nice guy" thing is talked about so much these days, because looking back on my high school days, I TOTALLY had a "nice guy" in my life, and I was constantly feeling guilty for not being attracted to him or for being annoyed by him, when he seemed so nice. I thought I was just being a jerk or something, but now I can see he exhibited all of those behaviors that are lowkey manipulative, even if he didnt realize he was doing it. So I dont feel guilty anymore. I was always nice to him, and i didnt owe him a relationship just because he liked me.

 

I definitely used to be the exact same and I cringe when thinking about it

 

My sister's a nice girl and I don't think I could ever tell her truth. It would kill me inside to have to put her through what I went through. I really hope she figures it out because it's I know how depressing it is to be like that.

 

What exactly do you mean by shes a "nice girl"? What does she do?

 

I felt like that too, but I'm learning to forgive myself for being a creep lol. I'm on constant high alert for this in myself. I'm terrified of the possibility that I may still be like this. I didn't know I was before, so how can I be so sure I'm not now?

 

Same as the nice guys. She does stuff for her boyfriend and then gets mad when he doesn't owe her something.

 

True kindness is just expecting a good feeling for doing something nice: it's nice to be nice.

 

I know it's out of context
But can anyone explain me the term "bad boy"

 

You know what, I started watching videos on the "nice guy" style of approach (horribly insecure, irrational and enraged men using "niceness" as a manipulation tool), and I think I realize what you and others are trying to convey.

But, actually, I probably wouldn't place the majority of the "nice guys" into the incel category automatically. I think the community will engulf many men who are similar to that personality, or who output that sort of toxic social behavior, but even these men could potentially transform their romantic lives for the better. I think I would use a much stricter definition for real incels.

Thanks for your points, dude.

 

I find pewdepie occasionally funny....
But this was very funny.....I think this is one of the best.....

 

What's also to be made clear is that 'toxic masculinity' is not a real thing. Putting 'toxic' in front 'masculinity' is just a pitiful attempt to vilify masculinity as whole by people who can't cope with masculinity or men. It was invented by radical feminists.

Toxic behaviour is toxic behaviour and nothing else. If a girl bullies another girl at school it's just toxic behaviour and not 'toxic femininity'. If a guy punches another guy it's just toxic and not 'toxic masculinity'.
Having a fragile ego, not being able to keep their emotions in check etc... (things people would like to con as 'toxic masculinity') has never, in history ever been associated with masculinitiy at all. Rather the opposite. Just because some males run around and do insecure stuff doesn't mean that they are 'masculine' and thus their behaviour is 'toxic masculinity'.
Just because someone is a man does not mean that they are masculine. And if they display things such as fragile ego, being aggressive against others for no reason etc.... doesn't mean they have 'toxic masculinity' but rather a lack of masculinity at all.

Anyone who intentfully uses the word 'toxic masculinity' either hasn't understood a lot about it or can't cope with it.
If it's toxic it isn't masculine at all. Why? Because traditional masculine behaviour has evolved over thousands of years and transcended time with nearly all civilizations' male populations ending up with the same/similar values of masculinity.
It's really just a prime example of how certain people are just warring against nature and evolution itself.
Here's some article from psychology today, while not 100% my point of view, it does an ok job:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/homo-consumericus/201803/is-toxic-masculinity-valid-concept

 

I think that I am still nice to girls, I'm not a jerk, it's not who I am. The difference now is that I know not to expect anything in return for being nice, it doesn't bother me like it used to. Man I can think of some cringe-worthy examples from my past, smh, it's been many years since I've been like that though. But instead I think it did turn me bitter, and so I checked out of the dating world for a long time, I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. Discovering Red Pill philosophy this past year helped me a lot, because I realized I was stuck in a Blue Pill way of thinking my whole life. Something I have had to work on though is learning how to flirt, which may involve teasing girls or making fun of them in a light-hearted way, I've always sucked at that, I was always nice and serious, boring. Also trying to show a little bit of cockiness

 

Men argue, it escalates, we fight, then we go have a beer after. It's only these feminized males that won't agree to this and they, like women, don't get that anger out and just end up holding grudges. It's this modern feminized masculinity that's toxic. It's because of this that innocent men go to prison for rapes they didn't commit because nice guys just automatically take the womans side. A lot of those men accused by the MeToo movement (a good portion of the ones that actually did rape) were male feminists. Feminized males don't know how to interact around women and they become creeps. They would probably say: "they're not true male feminists!" Yeah, they are. They're not nice.

 

Asshole, dangerous, exciting, does whatever he wants, doesn't care what people think of him. A lot of women like them because they're fun, but they're total dicks.

 

Incels are a subgroup of a much larger group - those people whose lives aren't as wonderful as the one they think they are entitled to, so they blame someone else for it. In this case, women.

In my early years, I was soooo close to becoming what would now be termed an incel. Constantly stuck in the 'friend zone', wondering why I was a virgin while all my peers seemed to have it figured out, the whole cliche. The only thing that stopped me was that instead of blaming someone else for it I blamed myself, accepted all my feelings self-loathing as just being realistic about who I was and pretty much destroyed whatever self-esteem I had left.

My teenage years were pretty fucked up to anyone who knew me*

*no-one knew me, not really.

 

That's right. Power to change comes with taking responsibility.