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Karma, Masturbation, and Attitude

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by VivreLibre, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. VivreLibre

    VivreLibre Fapstronaut

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    I'm not sure why I feel this way, but when I slip up, it always seems like Karma punishes me. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but from my perception it feels true. Is my perception holding me back? I feel so guilty every time I PM. are these negative feelings holding me back or reminding me that I want to do better? I'd like to believe the latter, but those feelings are never enough to bring forth sustainable change.
     
  2. Dudes_manrod

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    I get where you're coming from, I think we all as humans look for patterns in things. We want to give all the credit of a girl looking our way to the number of days on our NoFap counter, and blame every awkward conversation on the video we edged to the night before. I do it too! I play back the tape of different events and go "this happened because I fapped.." or alternatively "I could've never pulled THAT off if i was still Pornin' it up every night!".

    Maybe.. and maybe not.
    In the words of King Solomon; "..time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all." Stuff just.. happens, often without any of our input

    I would venture to say, though, that always looking over your shoulder for the karmic hand of justice will definitely rob you of your peace of mind. How do you feel overall? Forget specific events or waiting for the punch, do your days tend to feel better without uncle PMO? Do you have productive, enjoyable things you can embrace with the time you're no longer spending in your own pants?

    In your periods of "success", focus on the reasons you are thankful to be free of it. And if you slip up, just try to strategize how you'll do a little better next time.

    You are trying to better yourself, I think karma probably digs that alot.
     
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  3. ZenAF

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    Ma man! :D

    With all due respect but that's a bad mindest for life. Every human being deep down believes in free will. We've clearly arranged our society on the concept of free will, that's why we convict criminals. We believe we have the power to make choices and influence our lives.
    That freedom comes with a truckload of responsibility. But in my eyes there's no middle-ground here. Either you do believe that things develop a certain way because you've made certain choices. Or you think you're essentially just a bundle of particles that is subjected to the forces of the universe. However I'm sure you'll drop the ladder belief very quickly when someone else pisses you off in some way.
    My point being it's natural to want to ignore the responsibility of free will, because that means most of our suffering is our own fault. And that sucks.

    You don't just "slip up" and relapse. A part of you wants to slip up and you, in that moment, choose to be ok with that. So rather than wasting your time trying to avoid karma, or bad days or other pitfalls of various sorts, ask yourself why do you consistently choose against what you really want. Become sure of what you want and stick with it. That will bring you closer to true independence.
     
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  4. VivreLibre

    VivreLibre Fapstronaut

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    I like this focus much more ahahaha. Thank for your words they are inspiring and couldn't agree more with what you said. I think that when I'm struggling to stay positive on a bad day, I'm more prone to think that my PM is the reason bad these things happen to me when in reality its simply the fact that on bad days I just have less patience to deal with normal struggles of day-to-day because I'm stuck inside my disappointment of giving in.
     
  5. VivreLibre

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    Thank you for reminding me the power of free will. In fact my sub name is "vivrelibre" translated from french to English it means live free. which is my ultimate goal... to live free of P and M. Whether that means I give it up 100% or that I simply regulate it I'm not sure yet. All i know is that right now its frequency is too high and I don't feel like I'm in control of when and how I go about things.
     
  6. Dudes_manrod

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    Cuts like a knife and oh so true! Relapses for me never come out of thin air. Rather they are a combination of poor decisions made over a span of time. A provocative webpage I really don't need to be on one day, a daydream I linger i bit too long a few days later.. Relapses tend to materialize out of a chain of compromises; moments where I'm aware "dude, this is the moment, you're just adding more steam to the pipe", and much like you said, choosing in that moment that i'm ok with failing. I just want that cake no matter how much its gonna suck after.

    It sucks the sunshine outta me sometimes yo. Our mind, our body, everything effects everything. If there's a part of our person we know isn't how we want it to be, I don't believe we can completely compartmentalize it away to feel good in other places. So yea, indulging in PM and the guilt that comes with it WILL affect you, but at the same time we have to balance this goal among our other avenues of self-improvement. I'm guilty of spending an inordinate of time obsessing over the habit, as if it is the sole deity that while decide whether im allowed to be happy or sad in my life.
     
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  7. SIMANGA DLADLA

    SIMANGA DLADLA Fapstronaut

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    some great words to read guys, thanks for your perspective
     
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  8. Stahhluzdveller

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    Brother I feel the same, the best way to get over p. is to stop seeking for the ways to get rid of p. Just to quit p. there is no tactic. I have tried, hypnosis, NLP, meditation, blockers, mental tricks, imagination et cetra. I have been dealing with p. for 4 years (as being aware). Also, do not consider Karma too much, because it may harm you a lot. Basically ignore it, do not consider the life's pessimistic, melancholic aspects.
     

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