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"Leaving Neverland" alleges Michael Jackson was a paedophile

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by IGY, Mar 6, 2019.

  1. I respect your opinion.
     
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  2. It's interesting the different aspects of this one.

    I see where there were at least half a dozen to a dozen people who are accusing him of this. Two of them with very public graphic detailed descriptions of their abuse which spanned 5-10 years. They've also have families who've been thru them thru all of this and witnessed not the actual acts but their life in it and more importantly after it. They were the first people these two men confessed too other than their therapists.

    It would be incredibly difficult to fake those accounts.

    There is also a house keeper who witnessed it happening. Plus a large amount of child porn was confiscated from his house.

    I don't know it seems like there's alot more evidence that suggests that something did happen than not.

    But I respect those of the opinions that he was innocent.
     
  3. I don't really see the point in bringing up how he looks. That has no bearing on whether or not he was a pedophile, or his sexuality.

    Also, to be clear, I'm not at all trying to defend MJ or say that he was innocent. I haven't seen any of the documentaries yet, so I just don't feel comfortable saying that he is guilty when I haven't heard any of the stories. But there have been enough of them that I think it's likely that he was guilty.
     
  4. Gotham Outlaw

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    His behavior was too strange for something not to be wrong. I think he was a Chester.
     
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    He faced justice and was found innocent. It's time people got over it.
     
  7. Infrasapiens

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    I am not trying to defend or accuse anyone here, but winning a case at a court doesn't mean you aren't guilty.
     
  8. I agree totally. It’s obvious that one can be a genius and at the same time a pervert. Same like Bill Cosby. There is none even coming close what relates to his skills and comics and at the same such a sick pervert.
     
  9. Yeah, I was gonna say the same. Especially when it comes to sex crimes. They're very difficult to prove with actual evidence, but that doesn't mean they didnt happen.
     
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    This is a good point. The Constitution was written by white men who most were racist. There are people that I met who will argue that the Constitution is racist simply because it was written by racist , even when the contents of the Constitution have nothing to do with racism. Quite the opposite actually.

    I know it’s not exactly on the subject but the principle remains the same.
     
  11. I see this similar. Cosby I do love. I think he is really brilliant and it shows me how this does not mean that one is not a pervert.
     
  12. Minsc

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    What I start thinking about MJ is whether or not he was sexually abused himself.
     
  13. I'm inclined to believe it's a set up and the man was innocent. I haven't seen the documentary but I have heard the nanny say she was threatened with murder if she ever talked about what she witnessed which to me sounds just ridiculous. People do all kinds of crazy things for money. Us porn addicts should know.
    And to ban his music whether it happened or not is totally hypocritical. Call him the king of pop first to then ban his music? Says more about society than about MJ if you ask me.
     
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    One thing is clear about MJ’s life: he was abused as a child. He denied having plastic surgery to change the appearance of his nose, but his sister told the tale of how his mother (i think?) would constantly demean his appearance...specifically his nose by saying things like it’s too big, in nasty & racially inspired ways.

    It’s so ironic that he ended up with that skin-tone disease. The man likely never felt at home in his own skin.

    Neverland is such an extension of him trying to heal his broken childhood by trying to give kids what he didn’t have. Unfortunately, unless they find healing, abused people tend to become abusers themselves. As such, I don’t want to watch this movie. I wouldn’t doubt it to be true. It’s just that knowing how these things happen across generations...ehhh...I’ve already seen plenty of sad things in my life.

    If anything, to those who watch the movie, it’s a cautionary tale. MJ most likely started Neverland out of good intent & it turned into that. If you’ve ever been hurt, make sure you get better. Emotional wounds can get infected just like physical ones can.
     
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  15. More like, he ran up a check
     
  16. Ah, the "King of Pop," or so they say. Honestly, I disagree w allot of crimes, butt pedophilia isn't one of them. There's millions (yes, millions) of purple out there AND in this thread who still listen (support) Michael Jackson's music. Which I don't have a problem w, I just think they should acknowledge to themselves that they are supporting a pedophile.

    His music is alright, I do think he's overrated, and not bc he's a pedophile. I don't like pop, so maybe that's why. Never have been impressed by him personally. He's a good criminal though, for the most part. Online, I read he cut checks and was low-key.
     
  17. This is a really interesting observation, and I think that sounds spot on. It would also make sense, then, that he was so close with children and related to them, which would also make the sexual abuse theory make sense.

    It's sad stuff all around, honestly.
     
  18. Kierann

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    Michael Jackson, one of the biggest artists of the 20th century, the king of pop, was weird and extravagant. But I refuse to believe he was a child molester.

    Actually, I can't recall any other celebrity that would do so much for the kids as he did. There wasn't a single concert anywhere around the world where he wouldn't visit a children's hospital and spent some time playing with oncological patients. The same thing happening in orphanages or children homes. He even had argument about that with his tour manager and Michael said - "..no you listen to me! This is what we are doing here. This is what it is all about. Not the music. This is it. "

    Just google your own country and the place of Michael's concert there. There are hundreds of these videos on youtube, Michael visiting hospitals all around the world. And look at him. Study his body language, look into his eyes and search for the predator within.

    Michael Jackson was a child, the student's book example of Peter Pan syndrome.

    There are well documented cases of children whose lives were actually saved because of Michael. By helping children, he was fixing himself and his disturbed childhood.

    It is not normal to be a child when you are supposed to be adult. It is certainly not normal to share bed with kids when you are adult but it is also human and it is what children do. Michael Jackson was not normal. But was he a child molester? I don't think so. If you ask me, a massive injustice was done to Michael.

    And all that happened after the 2019 documentary - Leaving Neverland. It's easy to attack somebody who can't defend himself anymore. Since then a lot of inconsistencies from this documentary came to light and were debunked.

    Let us remind ourselves that Michael Jackson was on trial and was found not guilty of all charges. The alleged victims in that documentary had all the space to speak against Michael then when he was going through this extremely humiliating ordeal but that did not happen.

    What has been done to Michael Jackson is humanity shooting itself in the foot and in my eyes manifests everything which is wrong with this world. How easy it is to defame somebody who did so much good for the children of the world.

    The truth about who he was and what was the nature of his relationship to children can be found in the lyrics of so many of his songs.

    The fact that so many radios do not play Michael Jackson anymore, it offends my moral integrity, sense of justice and emotional intelligence.

    I respect that other people will see this differently. This is just my take on this matter. RIP Michael


     
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  19. So weird that this thread was revived, because I was JUST talking about this yesterday.

    I think too often we try to put people in boxes of either victim or perpetrator, but very often, the truth is that they are both.

    I have absolutely no idea whether or not Michael abused anyone. However, from what I've seen of him and his psychology and state of mind, I would be pretty willing to bet that he suffered some kind of pretty severe childhood trauma.

    Some people try to say that that means he isn't an abuser, but that really doesn't mean that at all. In fact, it is actually quite common for people who were abused as children to go on to abuse other children when they are older. There are many reasons why this happens, but it is a pretty common occurance.

    It's possible Michael had nefarious intentions and was just a straight-up predator. It's possible that he was just a completely innocent man who felt, for whatever reason (I'm guessing childhood trauma), that he needed to reclaim that childhood later in life and wanted to help other children have the childhood he didn't get to have.

    But it's also entirely possible that the latter is true, and that he also crossed the line in his interactions with those children, possibly without even fully realizing himself that what he was doing was wrong. If you feel like a child in your mind and you are exploring things with another child, you might do some bad things you don't think are inappropriate.

    At the end of the day, nobody really knows the truth. All I know for certain is that Michael clearly had some issues and probably had some kind of trauma that caused those issues, and that's sad. Hopefully whatever legacy he left behind is one that brought people joy and not more pain.
     
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