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Webcam Addiction

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    It's probably fair to say I have had some sort of addiction to webcam girls.

    I went into debt because I was so reckless with my spending on webcams. It got quite bad, my bank account was closed down and had to pay what I owe to a debt agency. A family member helped pay off most of it and I paid off the rest. I seem to be quite lucky because according to what I read online that the debt agency tends to harass their clients by calling them nonstop demanding they pay back but they would only send me an email now and again reminding me how much I stilled owed them. I paid the last of debt a few days ago. Despite this, it still wasn't a pleasant experience and I'm still trying to get my life back to what it was before. I could have paid them off sooner but I ended up blowing my money on another camgirl.
     
  2. onceaking

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    That's interesting. I've sometimes wondered about the moderators. I've always assumed they were regular customers.
    From my experience, the camgirls are a mixed bag. There are some who are real bitches who get mad if you don't tip them, then there are those who don't mind you not tipping as long as you're not rude to them. Some don't seem to be that bright but some seem very intelligent. Like there was this one girl who would talk about the importance of meditating and believe it or not she even had a section on her profile about NoFap. She said if you feel like you should do NoFap you should do it but you might find it really hard. I've also come across the odd model who plays gospel music in their room and some even talk about their belief in god. I find that quite since I would think webcaming and god don't go together.

    Interestingly I've come across some rooms where the models talk about other models. I remember this one girl say that most camgirls hate each other.
     
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  3. Barry Rolfe

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    I think that these women are like any others in regards to their personalities. Each is different and comes into what they do from differing circumstances. I have met some that were pure evil and others that had a "code". They are just weaponized by the tech companies to part you from your money and mental health. It is that simple. That is the way I view it anymore. I have no rancor toward the women engaged in this pursuit. They are just making a buck trying to survive like anyone else in this complex world of ours.
     
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  4. Thanks for your post. I learn a lot from your post and others. I've been talking a lot about the cam girls with my therapist. As well as cam girls, I meet girls on Twiter. I have a following on Twitter and I meet very nice women there and have friendships that last a while with typing back and forth. My therapists puts these Twitter girls in the same category as my webcam girls: fake friendships (maybe a bit harsh). Her main point is that it's safe for me. My finances are limited so I can't make any hay with my twitter girls, some are only a cheap flight away. I am able to get woman to like me on line, they don't really see some of the less than stellar aspects of my life like my finances etc.

    What is helping me is that my therapists is wanting me to acknowledge and be aware of the delusion of these connections whether they be webcam girls or Twitter girls.

    My therapist says, why don't I just go and see some porn and jack off and then get back to life. And my response is that isn't the point. It's the connection, the relationship, and the avoidance of dealing with relationships and intimacy in real life.

    I loved what you said about webcams curing you of porn. I am the same way. I told my therapist the same.

    The NOFAP abstinence model isn't really working for me. It just creates to much of a guilt and shame cycle. What is working is being conscious that what I am doing is a fantasy world, and also a delusion world - the 33-year-old Colombian woman is not going to be life partner etc. Treat it like going to the movies. Once the movie is over, forget about it.
    And not making good or bad, just recognizing it's a fantasy world and too much of it is going to detract from my real life.

    I'll give you an example. The one Colombia woman seems to like be quite a bit. She doesn't mind if I spend hours in her chat room having a private chats with her and from time to time I spend money. The other day she said "I really like having you here". So here is the kicker. She is doing her job. She is making money. And she likes having me keep her company. I am helping her get through her day. That's what she is getting from me + she knows I do spend some of time. What am I getting out of it - stimulation that allows me to escape from my reality - I actually lost money because I am self-employed (I may not have work to do but I could be selling myself etc. or I could be working out or doing something more fulfilling). The delusion is this beautiful woman likes having me around, the reality is I am avoiding my life.

    And yes camgirls do fall for customers. They also fall or delusions especially if they are in a poorer country.

    The delusions are fueled by the fact that some guys do date cam girls and some have married etc.

    Anyway, I am rambling a bit but my current question to me is: am I in my real life or am I in my delusional life.
     
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  5. The customer moderators may be a different thing. These "directors" are behind the scenes.
     
  6. I worked in UX company (user experience design) and learned a lot about gamification. The latest cam model with the tipping system that triggers the sex toys etc is highly gamified. The tipping goals, when this goal is reached, the model does X. This all gamefication. Some sites have a roll the dice tipping system. So there is a lot of similarities with gambling.

    I've been on camsites for years and I'd notice when they add a new feature or make buttons more visible. This is all UX. It's scientiffic. They A B test a design feature and sees which makes more clicks or conversations. Also the site owners know that a large part of the customers will freeload but they know their conversation numbers, just like when you do an email blast, you don't worry about the 97% that don't buy.

    So in a sense, those of us with addictive natures are being targeted.
     
  7. Kasper123

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    Thank you for sharing such a useful information. I have started to use webcams since i was 20 and now im 24. I broke up with my first girlfriend. She was the person i was really in love with. I tried to reduce this pain searching for webcamgirls looking like my ex. After a short period of time i got addicted to this. I spent huge sums of money to chat with asian girls. Webcam addiction is much stronger . The reason is that webcam helps to satisfy hidden desires such as voerism and numerous fetishes. In addition, you constantly communicate with pretty girls, but over time, this addiction began to harm you financially.i find it very difficult to communicate with girls outside of webcam. I have even met 3 models in real life . Models are normally not allowed to give you phone numbers , but if they find you attractive you can get it. But relationships with models were not lucky. Webcams are like illness and relationships with models are normally difficult and have no perspective. According my experience , majority of models have real financial problems. In some cases they are enjoying such kind of job, but the first target is money. Some of them were prostitutes in past . I don’t blame models. They are victims of circumstances. I started my fight against addiction one year ago . I have deleted all my accounts on these sites.
     
  8. yeahman

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    You bring up good points about the economics. Indeed, the overwhleming majority of camgirls likely were in economic distress when going into it. A few are girls paying their way through college, but the Julia Roberts or Jaime Lee Curtis industrious-hooker-saving-for-retirement is a Hollywood myth at best. So you are correct that a relationship with a camgirl probably means an economic dependency on you - unless she continues camming!

    As for how much one can spend on cams, you're right that's a potential disaster too. That has not at all been my problem, however, and has probably colored my view of cams because I really have spent very little on them in over 10 years of watching. Mainly, because I'm extremely frugal - and don't have any attraction to wasteful purchases, gambling in any form (except the market in safe investments, where I have done very well) or really buying anything I don't need.

    If I am experiencing a destructive aspect of cams (which I do not fully attribute to PED), it's in time. Or indeed, my time spent on sites like these where I am drawn to discussing these issues. So I should probably stop typing and get back to household chores! Thanks.
     
  9. Themadfapper

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    She is in a little cubicle masturbating herself on camera for anonymous strangers across the world for mere pennys. The cam sites take a big chunk and then the studio she works at takes a cut as well. They are coached what to say and are conning you. Spend any time in a cam room and you will see they all have their special "friends". Prostitution has been around for awhile and faking desire and friendship with men is standard practice for prostitutes. If you want efriends there are forums you can make friends with people and they might be somewhat legit and you won't have to pay them. IMO you are confusion sexual desire with friendship. See if you become great friends with a guy you can't see on cam or maybe even a girl and imagine she is unattractive. The person will have to be interesting which of most of these camgirls are not.
     
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  10. yeahman

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    You may indeed be describing the majority of camgirls, and certainly 99 percent of those from Colombia and Romania, but as stated earlier in this thread, there are as many different types of camgirl personailities as there are women. Of course they are there to make money. Except for Chaturbate's exhibitionist mode, that's the whole point (and even that mode is usually a testing ground for models before they present the IDs necessary to really get started).

    As I said in an earlier post, in the 90s there were chat rooms with some bona-fide horny women looking for men (with the odds running around 50-1 at best), but those were overrun by bots and scams and eventually led to what is in essence for-pay camming.

    But: That doesn't mean every single one of those girls is a bad person or international con artist. While they're all there to work and make money, some enjoy talking to a guy who isn't crude and might even have something to say, and maybe share similar likes and dislikes about sex (if you really, really like puffy nipples, you're not going to immediately find that out IRL before a first date, or even then unless you're lucky). Likewise, if she posts "no anal," then any self-respecting guy would abide by that.

    The point of all this is we're talking about sex, or abstinence from sex, and while I very much endorse meeting new people and engaging in real-life relationships, sometimes our male brains just want to fuck, in some way. Denying that is foolish. The natural ways of accomplishing IRL that is courtship (though Vikings and Vandals wouldn't have bothered with that), but humans have created alternatives as we have in many other endeavors, such as building houses instead of living in caves.

    I guess it isn't so much the medium or the venue, but what you do with it and how it affects you, or that you let it affect you, that matters. Again, I'm sure that puts me as a minority on this site, but I think critical thinking - and not lumping all camgirls or fappers into one neat stereotyoe - is warranted, and necessary for understanding human, and our own individual, behavior.
     
  11. bluesky71

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    If you have read my posts, you know that I can speak to this. I met a model on a site when I was a customer and eventually transitioned to real life with no more contact at the site. In fact, we don’t even speak of her cam work at all. But I have seen how it goes on and off cam...I don’t need to guess, because I have lived it.

    The experience on the cam was like a drug and could be intense, but not particularly fulfilling. Physically yes, but not a complete experience. In real life, the drug-like aspect was gone. She doesn’t act like she does on camera, as there is a big performance aspect there. There is no doubt that she could drive me crazy on cam if we had still continued there.

    I much prefer the real life experience because there is closeness and intimacy. There is no intimacy at those sites. The arousal at the sites is more visual and involves a model acting slutty to heighten your excitement.

    I do not do those sites anymore and I don’t miss them.
     
  12. yeahman

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    Interesting. I'll go back and read your posts when I get a minute, but could you answer: You and she have a sexual relationship? And if so, I take it you're not experiencing PED, correct?
     
  13. yeahman

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    So I did read your posts, particularly the first one. I think a difference between your experience and what I was trying to describe is that your relationship was with a camgirl, and it first began on cam. I'm suggesting that that a relationship IRL that has nothing to do with cams (unless you happen to meet a girl who's secretly a camgirl that you don't know about) could be enhanced by camming. Then I'm suggesting that could possibly be a cure or remedy or uselful item in the sexual bag o' tricks for guys who have PIED (or better, cam-induced).

    I mean, this is nothing new. My wife and I made a video years ago, for which she got pretty frisky. She still does in other ways - dress up. role play, etc. This is the acting that you spoke of, and millions of couples do it. All very normal, right? My wife is not hip to the cam world, so I'm not going to suggest to her that we pretend-cam - yet - but I can imagine her doing it.

    It's interesting that your professional cam girl *didn't* do the acting with you, however. I think this shows it speaks to relationships more than the medium. And my point - which I will admit is probably blasphemy on this site - is that cams themselves may not be the problem, but the lack of a relationship, and openness within a relationship. Whole bunch more I want to say about this when I have time, so to be continued.
     
  14. Thanks a lot for this... to be honest this have become also one of two main points why i keep failing! But with this new arm of information I can be better prepared to leave it all for once and all and find something real. It's really time to move away from all virtual madness for me.
     
  15. bluesky71

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    Yes, we do. There were a couple of times where I had difficulty in staying aroused in person when it wasn’t an issue on the cam.
     
  16. bluesky71

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    Well, on the cams, she tells everyone that she’s great and smiles and laughs at what anyone says. What you see is an idealized version of a person. IRL, she has worries and difficulties like anyone else. Our relationship is extremely conventional now and I often forget how we met. But we agreed that it would be too awkward to continue a cam relationship so we don’t do that anymore. I really don’t want to go back to the cams.
     
  17. yeahman

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    I'm finding your situation increasingly intriguing. So you've sworn off cams and are warning of the dangers of addiction, and your relationship with this girl isn't going anywhere - although you answered present tense when I asked if you too were having sex, so that's more than nowhere ;-) .

    But is that it? There are a few billion other women out there, not all requiring the cost of an international ticket. Any other relationships?

    Many of the users of this site, I've noticed, are guys who are too shy to ask a girl on a date. One post was from a young man (and maybe not that young) who worshipped the idea of pussy forever until he finally got some - and found it less than his imagination suggested (especially fueled by porn, I think was his point).

    You were married, managed to turn a cam thing into IRL, regardless of how it turned out, etc. One of my points on this site is that I think a lot of issues of guys here can't be wholly attributed to porn/cams without taking into consideration that they're suffering from arrested development with the opposite sex (maybe same sex too, but that's for a different day). That doesn't seem to be the case with you.
     
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  18. bluesky71

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    Well, the relationship is still going on. When I first posted, I thought that we were about done, but it wasn’t so. I do not know where it will lead. I get plenty of interest from local women, but there is an emotional bond now that makes me not interested in pursuing these other women. I can’t be bothered.

    I am thankful that the urge to watch cams has left, at least for now. One reason is that I started watching the cams when I was an out of shape schlub who felt he couldn’t pull women anymore. I hit the gym super hard 6 days a week and lost over 60 pounds. I have 6 pack abs now and my self-confidence is back.

    I think getting a life outside of the house and improving yourself can make a huge difference in one’s attitude and susceptibility to watching that crap.
     
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  19. Interesting thread, thanks for your initial post and this bit here. I think we can all relate to the notion that the temptation as well as the influential tactics implemented by the models/studio is A. real, B. deceptive and C. highly effective. I recognize that theirs is a “profession” (the oldest profession) and the science of gamification as well as the coaching is by design, furthermore certain individuals (myself included) are more susceptible to this type of interaction than others. The statement “Engagement is the New Cocaine” certainly has a lot of weight here. I constantly wrestle with this dynamic and how it reflects on me personally. I wonder “am I really in control here” or “am I being exploited?” even deeper, “am I allowing myself to be exploited?” and if so, why?

    It appeals to our nature, it works because it’s meant to, and as I find myself in this physiological & bio-chemical struggle, I realize that it’s not something my rational mind can easily grasp, especially in the heat of the moment. So I appreciate the above comment because it highlights a fundamental truth, of denying or avoiding the reality. So where then does that leave us? Disillusioned, lost in escapism, wanting, waning, self-loathing, desperate? Then again, maybe it’s just me? And perhaps that’s your point, it’s our responsibility, despite the morality behind it, the truth is that we have a decision to make.

    To me it’s not a question of why it works, but of how best to evade it. It occurs to me that it may require sacrifice. Hence, here I am.
     
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  20. Uncomfortably Numb

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    Thank you... this is an excellent piece of research and one which resonates with me
     
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