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Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by clt1689, Jul 4, 2019.

  1. clt1689

    clt1689 Fapstronaut

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    I am a few days into my nofap journey and wanted to seek advice from those in long term relationships. My goal is to be completely free from PMO and I would like to abstain from masturbation long term as well, even without pornography. My reasoning behind this is because I believe masturbation, even without pornography, does not build intimacy with one's SO.
    In light of this, when my wife was unable to have sex (i.e. post pregnancy) or uninterested, I would ask her to take care of me by hand.
    Currently, my wife is 1 week post-partum and I am nearly the same in nofap. I believe asking her during times of weakness to give me a handy does not violate my nofap commitment, but because of addictive tendencies, I am reluctant to ask her. After a few days, I feel myself not longing for O like I typically do and I am worried that if I approach my wife when feeling urges to PMO, this could internally reset progress I've made. Basically, I am wondering if it benefits me in the long run to completely abstain for at least the next 4 weeks to give my system time to reboot.

    Hope this makes sense.
     
  2. IamOlive

    IamOlive Fapstronaut

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    Okay so this is just my opinion as an SO. If my husband came to me and asked me to take care of him by hand, I would still consider it a M and a relapse. If we were fooling around and I initiated the touch, I would not consider that M or a relapse. I get that maybe she doesn’t want/can’t have S right now because of post partum, not having an O isn’t going to hurt you or her. I’d want my husband after I had a baby to cuddle, kiss, rub my feet, connect etc without the thoughts of him “needing” and O. I would feel like he didn’t care what I was going through.
     
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  3. Les_Brown

    Les_Brown Fapstronaut

    I think it's more important to take notice of one's mindset when engaging in touch or asking for it. Are you asking your wife to touch you because you lust for her, because you want a release but feel guilty doing so yourself, because you want to connect with her, because you want her to see how she makes you feel, etc. I believe we become more at peace with our decisions when we have a deeper understanding of the thing that draws us to touch or be touched. Does that align with our partner's wishes? If not, perhaps we may converse with our partner to see how they feel and what they may need to feel connected.
     
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  4. clt1689

    clt1689 Fapstronaut

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    This was very helpful.
     
  5. clt1689

    clt1689 Fapstronaut

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    Your distinction between personal initiation and SO initiation made some needed connections for me. Thank you
     
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  6. EyesWideOpen

    EyesWideOpen Fapstronaut

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    It sounds like you are using her as your masturbatory aid, to relieve yourself of the guilt of masturbation through self pleasure. This is part of the addiction mindset and does not promote real connection and intimacy with your wife. Find real ways to connect with her instead of looking for a work around to get your orgasm dopamine high.
     
  7. clt1689

    clt1689 Fapstronaut

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    Dang that hurts but I think your point is absolutely valid. I definitely cultivated blindness toward this reality for a long time now.
     
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  8. Faceplanter

    Faceplanter Fapstronaut

    But, on the other hand, going to her is way better than a secret MO. it's not ideal, and it's not the best for helping your brain along....but it's much better than getting the O yourself.
     
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  9. Yes, it's better if he has his wife do the work because then it's easier to justify...still get your O without having to acknowledge feeding the addiction. Most SO's would agree that it would be more hurtful to secretly MO, but like @EyesWideOpen said, it's still addict mentality. It's better to drive with a .09 blood alcohol level than it is .15, but it's still illegal and dangerous and doesn't make it ok. Using his wife just to get the O he would otherwise get by himself is rationalizing because it has nothing to do with intimacy and everything to do with selfishness...it's all about the addiction.
     
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  10. Faceplanter

    Faceplanter Fapstronaut

    Ya know, the OP isn't really just saying he's only asking his wife for MO instead of doing it himself.....he's going to her with his needs and asking for her to help meet them. That's OK.

    If it's ONLY this, sure, that is a problem. But if this is the alternative to PMO or MO and only happens when his wife isn't interested in more.....I don't see the issue. This isn't too far from where I am at and it's much much much better than PMO and hiding MO.

    Is there an aspect of selfishness here? Sure, but sex is like that. Healthy relationships have that too.
     
  11. To me, it seems that is what he's saying...he basically asks her to feed the addiction because he talks about going to her "during times of weakness" and "when feeling urges to PMO."
    He isn't going to her to express his needs. He's going to her to express his addictive urges (whether he says it that way or not.). That's much different from saying something like he's really missing the connection with her and wants to share some intimate time with her even if she's not interested in sex at the moment.
     
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  12. Faceplanter

    Faceplanter Fapstronaut

    Those are fair points!
     
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  13. As a SO I would be upset by this. It would be different if you went up to her and gave her a sensual massage and kisses and it naturally led to her finishing you off but to just use her hand as a substitute for your own? I’d be upset.
    Also, when she is MO you- are you thinking about how beautiful she is or are you picturing porn? I wouldn’t be able to believe my man was thinking about me in such an unconnected sexual act. I’d probably look over and see his eyes closed then imagine all the women he must be thinking about, which will bring me into an emotional state of anger and sadness.
     
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