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You can have withdrawals for 2 years straight? Holy fuck

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by 31shotscrazy, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. BigOne79

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    WoW!! I am under the impression it will take me that long as well. I am in bad flatline after years of PMO. I have been on hard mode since Nov 2018. I have been slipping up with viewing images the last few months but no PMO for 8 months now. Did you have slip ups during the two years and do you think it made recovering faster a problem..
     
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  2. I relate EXACTLY to this mate. I did say a few posts back that the anhedonia is the worst aspect of this all. Glad you're getting there man it just goes to show how ridiculous severe PMO can put you on your arse for.
     
  3. AspiringVitality

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    I would be really curious about what the results would be if we hard cases do a DNA test. Would be cool to know if there are common gene mutations that make our enzymes act differently towards the chemicals involved in PMO especially dopamine etc....
     
  4. Younameit

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    If you didn't relapse it's okay but I still advise you to avoid those "slips", I relapsed 5 times during those 2 and a half years, all of them on purpose in the hopes of jumpstart my libido or get a chaser effect but none of this was helpful, in fact, when you relapse in a flatline you feel 10x worse afterwards
     
  5. ZenAF

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    I can honestly say that real change happened in me in these 190+ days. I don't need porn anymore, urges are long gone, it has become a non-issue. But porn is still on my mind. Or at least the desire to look at beautiful curves, not even to masturbate to it but just seeing them, is constantly there. And it's maybe not 100% normal, I don't know if you can classify that as withdrawal symptom, maybe to some degree. But compared to where I was just 8 month ago, burning sickening urges to watch porn, feelings of helplessness and addiction, I'm real happy with what I got now. It's a world of difference. So don't despair!:)
     
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  6. Guybrushgood

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    How did you start to feel better? It was a sudden Boost or what? Im 150 days and feel like the first day. Anxiety, PAWS, hell dude.
     
  7. hairlesschewbacca

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    It probably would look very similar to anyone else with the “addiction” gene. Genetic code isn’t that specific. Genetics can’t tell if you are meant to be a pro athlete or win the spelling bee. But looking at genetic code can tell you if you have a strong disposition for strength gains or intelligence.
     
  8. ZenAF

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    Well first of all I'm not denying myself orgasms or masturbation.
    Second I did a step by step approach, allowing myself to look at porn whenever I wanted in the beginning of my streak but strictly cut out masturbating to it. The frequency in which I've looked at porn declined steadily over the weeks and month, because my brain learned there was no orgasm to gain. In the meantime I'm lucky to enjoy a great sexual relationship with my gf, so I could rewire my brain to gain pleasure from sex instead of porn.
    I already felt really good when I was 150 days in and there was no sudden boost, rather gradual process. I was an addict for 14 years by the way, only watched porn addict brainwash compilations towards the end and had no success to speak off in my first two years of NoFap.

    If you're still struggling maybe you'll find something in this thread that will help you: https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-porn-goddess.230204/
     
  9. Ek03

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    2 years? This sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

    I went into nofap skeptically and I'm new to it. I've had no relapse and I'm approaching 30 days. I think it works in many ways in recovering your libido, giving more energy, boosting confidence and making you more oriented towards your (sexual) needs towards actual, real women.

    BUT it is not a cure all. I have yet to see real scientific basis for many of the claims about dopamine and neurology made here. Most of them seem like conjecture. I'm sure it affects testosterone and dopamine and that this is demonstrable, but don't go about believing everything anyone says.

    If you (or anyone) has 'withdrawal symptoms' for two years straight, I highly doubt that's what they are. To understand why someone is depressed, has low libido, etc. you can't look at only PMO habits. Do you exercise? Do you have a job? How is your social life? What is your diet?

    Is it possible that someone who is severely porn addicted needs 2 years to recover? Yes. But I would think that that's a rather binary way of looking at it. During that period, you're going to have ups and downs and you're going to be working on much more than just dropping a bad habit. The porn was filling a void you have to learn to fill in the real world. That's the journey.

    Let me phrase it conclusively. If the porn addiction is the cause of your symptoms (whatever they are), then I highly doubt it takes 2 years to cure or feel positive effects. If the porn addiction is a symptom of depression (that also makes it worse), then it may take 2 years or longer.
     
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  10. AspiringVitality

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    I don't mean the addiction gene buddy. We have a LOT of different enzymes that are being controlled by our individual genes. Every enzyme has a specific code and can be programmed to act in certain ways. This way we can see how our enzymes react to medicines, food, amino-acids, neurotransmitters, etc.
    So some people may have more chance to develop certain disbalances in their neurology by abusing porn ;)
     
  11. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...year_cured_after_two_year_flatline_severe_ed/

    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/paws-sexual-exhaustion-1-5-years.175077/#post-1489925

    https://yourbrainrebalanced.com/for...o-years-in-pied-is-undoubtedly-a-thing.27856/

    Before you come in like a know it all actually look around and educate yourself. These are just a few topics.
     
  12. A stronaut

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    I have been masturbating for 10 years, I'm 19years old, this is my 16day NoFap, but I can't understand the withdrawal symptoms this thread is talking about, I feel like shit in the first 8days but after I feel a lot better and I don't experience all those withdrawal symptoms u mentioned, when u started pmo how often do u do it, I used to masturbate once a week, maybe withdrawal symptoms have to do with how frequent one masturbate because am not experiencing any withdrawal symptoms, but i do feel better and gain more confidence
     
  13. Younameit

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    Once a week? you'll recover faster, you weren't a hardcore addict
     
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    It took 15 months for gabe deem to fully recover
     
  15. Younameit

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    Yeah man, that happens, it's normal to feel like you're in day one when you're 12 months, 18 months in your reboot, it's not a linear process, I don't even know how to categorize this process but it's a crazy one, just keep on going, I know how it feels, almost six months in and feeling like you achieved no improvements but trust me, you are healing, you are getting better, even if you feel like not
     
  16. That's one of the reasons new noffappers especially heavy addict should listen to long rebooters in their journey. If I didn't come here on this forum searching for long term paws rebooters,I would keep pushing my recovery further and further by kindling.
     
  17. I used to feel great after 7 days of nofap when I started back in the early 2018. Then it became 10 days, two weeks and so forth and now I don't even know. Kindling is dangerous and should be taken seriously.
     
  18. Kningb

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    There needs to be more threads like this one! For us long rebooters it’s nice to know that you’re not alone. It can really make a big difference especially when you’re feeling the withdrawal symptoms and have no idea if anyone can relate to you.
    I’m nearly at the 15 month mark and still feel bad. Better than I did one year ago that’s for sure, but still Anhedonia is still a very prominent symptom.
     
  19. Addiction length?
     
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  20. Fenix Rising

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    I'd say anything longer than a year is not caused by PMO brain damage alone. I've talked to opioids and alcohol addiction counselor with 25 years of expertise in rehabilitation center and psych hospital on the topic of "my" PAWS duration this week. She said her observation are that:
    1. Patients need 2-4 weeks to get out of intoxication state (less for opioids, more for alcohol)
    2. 2-4 months to get rid of acute withdrawal symptoms (twitching, headaches, tremors, deep despair/potential self harm, insomnia, gastro p etc)
    3. PAWS come after being at least 3 months in recovery and last up to a year. This is a period when your brain is still getting used to lower dopamine levels (D2 receptor and gray matter in FC takes time). She said that this is actually the most difficult period, because addict is overwhelmed by emotions he/she was numbing with drugs, brain dopamine deficiency causes depressed/anxious state of mind, plus this period is often the time addict looks at his past action and gets feelings of remorse, guilt and shame over his past actions
    4. After a year your brain has been physically healed, BUT most of the people need to go through psychoanalysis/CBT therapy and some need to take antidepressant medications (if major depression/anxiety persist) to guide them change their distorted thought patterns and behaviors and acquire stress coping technics. This process can take up to 2-3 years.

    As you can see recovery is very complex process. Just being in monk mode helps with normalization of brain chemistry, but it doesn't heal the soul. If one doesn't address the issues that led him to his drug of choice "PAWS" can last a life time. Well they won't because addict will break sooner or later when stress accumulates and start using his drug of choice or again or develop new form of addiction.
     

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