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25 years-old Virgin

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Deleted Account, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Guys,
    If someone could help me.

    I'm 25 yo and i'm still a virgin man. I've been having mild depression since last year.

    When i am in Nofap my energy increases, around day 7-12. I become more attractive and more communicative. Meanwhile i'm also wishing so bad having sex or PMO.

    However, after this i start to experience more mood swings, and my depressive state become more prevalent.

    It's almost impossible to talk with a girl when you have low energy. It's hard to smile, it's hard to be natural. It's like a vicious cycle, i am frustrated because i can not have sex with a girl, because i'm depressed.

    I also take meds and go to psychologist, but this depression don't go away.

    This because i have not experienced flatline yet. I bet my flatline will last months or years, because i fap since age 15. I used to fap once per day, or per 2 days (not so addicted).

    Does exist any possibility to mantain my brain chemistry as if i was on reboot day 7-12, before the flatline? Or, is it okay to PMO once a week?
     
  2. You must stop porn if you really want to stop being a virgin.
     
  3. Keep seeing the psychologist. But if you feel that he or she is not the best one for you, get a new one. You need a psychologist who understands depression and addiction.
    And I know it is difficult, but you must stop porn and masturbation. Completely and totally. This is a difficult thing to do, but you have no choice.
    Masturbation kills your chances of healthy relationships with women.
     
  4. + the above advice is your first and main priority. This will do more for you than anything else. Woman can sense this kind of stuff it’s been reported by so many guys here and I’ve personally experienced it. When you have that energy emanating from you it’s a natural draw for women even if they aren’t aware of it.

    + Now on a more practical level the mating game is just that, it’s a game. And as shitty as it can be you have to play the game if you want to meet women.
    How’s your wardrobe? How’s your hair? How’s your conversation skills? How’s your hygiene(breath shower deodorant)? All those things while they seem superficial or whatever they actually give off signals in the eyes of a woman(from what I have experienced.) and that is- here is a guy who cares for himself, has his shit together, and can stand on his own two feet.

    Obviously i don’t know you so I’m just giving the most basic advice that can sometimes allude people, not saying you, just my general advice. But that is just the entry into dates etc. After enough dates & plenty of let downs(it’s part of it) you’ll get better and finding what you want and what kind of woman you want to be with.

    Skip the whole, I gotta get laid shtick. Woman can sense that shit from a mile away and it’s a put off. Focus instead on the things above and then just dating dating dating. Ask, ask ask ask. Fear of rejection is nothing compared to wasting the best years of your life because you never even tried. Every single guy gets rejected, every one. The point is your putting yourself out there and your learning what you like.
    Then one day you find that connection and you will FEEL it. She will be putting off signals and you will instinctively know. After that the hard part is over! & sex will come in due time when she feels comfortable and the time is right. But if you focus on the sex and that’s all you care about you’ll be stonewalled by every girl you meet cause they will see right through you.
     
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  5. hairlesschewbacca

    hairlesschewbacca Fapstronaut

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    It is never okay to PMO. The benefits of semen retention and mental well being far out weigh getting PMO once a week and avoiding the flatline. In addition we don’t know what the long term effects of PMO in the instant streaming era will be on men 40 years from now. Do you really want to find out what those are as a long term addict? Researchers have found similarities in brain scans between porn addicts and HEROIN addicts. Yeah I said heroin, the most addictive drug on the planet.

    Just freaking quit dude. This stuff is not good for you and you will never reach your full potential as a man as long as you use it.

    The flatline won’t last as long as you think it will. I was addicted from 12 years old-25 years old and got out in less than 90. The guys who have a year plus recovery tend to sit in their basement and just watch really weird porn all day long. That’s probably not you.

    I’m glad you see a thearpist and are getting the medications you need. Keep working to improve your mental health.
     
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  6. I wish someone had told me exactly what you wrote when I was young.
    Since making the effort to quit porn and masturbation I feel masculine. I have never felt that way in my entire life.
    I do not mean the strutting, bullshit swaggering kind of masculinity. I just mean a sureness and a solid temperament, a kind of old school masculinity.
    I am convinced that my daily masturbation and porn usage (only mags back then but they did the trick) were the #1 reasons why I had no luck with girls. I had some beautiful girlfriends but they soon tired of me and wanted to be "friends." No doubt they sensed something was just not right with me, nothing evil or creepy, but surely something to do with a lack of masculinity. They wanted to be with a man - not a boy. Porn and masturbation, in my view, keep us in a perpetual boyhood.
     
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  7. bigboibez

    bigboibez Fapstronaut

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    Doing nofap just to get laid wont work.

    nofap should be about improving yourself.
    nofap is part of a lifestyle, if you continue doing the same habits and living the same life but simply removing the porn you will either not see much of an improvement or fail over and over.

    take it from me.
    I am a very driven person, I have ice cold showers every single morning without any breaks, I exercise daily (gym/cardio), I bought a car at 22 with more power and a bigger engine than most people ever own in their life, I graduated and was one of the first to get myself a graduate job. I have my shit together in life, except for relationships.
    In the past year my lifestyle was a mixture of boredom and stress (student- final year of uni and vacation). I have NOT been able to completely stop PMOing. yes, I have massively reduced the number of times I PMO and the duration (its now averaging 5 minutes every week) but I simply cant kick it yet. The reason is that I don't socialise enough, I haven't started work yet (so have too much free time) and I am injured and cant go to the gym. I am simply not occupied enough.
    During the last year I had a girlfriend. she loved me and wanted to spend time with me. she wanted to have sex. I basically avoided her, while at the same time trying to kick the PMO habit. I thought I would remain a virgin if I didn't kick PMO addiction and because I thought virgin=/=real man, it meant that if I didn't 'complete' nofap (whatever that means) I could never be a real man. every time I relapsed I hated myself and tried to persist. this didn't work. "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". you gotta change your lifestyle.

    what I realise now is that I needed to focus on myself. this past year has been unbelievably unfulfilling even though I have achieved some great things. before I went back to uni I was working full time and I got 40+ day streaks with relative ease. it is a case of doing lots of work, socialising, exercise. spend the vast majority of your time out of the house doing things. you will be too tired and have too little time to even bother PMOing, and the small time you do have at home by yourself itll be much easier to get rid of the addiction.

    forget girls, forget society, just for a bit. this is about you. build a lifestyle conducive to nofap, and youll find it comes much easier.

    good luck

    -Bez
     
  8. Muzaffer

    Muzaffer Fapstronaut

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    Çok Kendini Üzme sosyalleşmeye çalışman senin için çok daha iyi olur bence :) birde porno bağımlılığını bırakmak
     
  9. Muzaffer

    Muzaffer Fapstronaut

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    Şimdiden Kolay Gelsin
     
  10. If I was in this situation, I would ask myself this question:

    Why I need to have sex so badly?

    Because maybe it is not only the sex you want. ;)

    To me, I was picking up the girls desperate for at least one-night stand. And only to feel socially accepted by girls and to look as a macho in front of my men friends. Not for the girls themselves. Not that I would find them so sexy. With this attitude of course it was and still is a struggle to get a girl (virgin until 21 and since that not so many successes - 25 years old now).

    With mental coach I am working already 2,5 years (I don´t know, how is your psychologist, if he can help you enough?). With a coach, I have great experience. I have learned to say NO, I am learning to say politely what I do not like, I am still learning to accept myself as I am. And I released many negative emotions from the age I was bullied at school and from the family, where both my parents are very shy. I am making a progress.

    Do you feel, you are making similar kind of progress with your psychologist? That you are moving towards your goals?

    I would ask this myself to understand if your psychologist is good or if it is better to change him. Better to pay higher for somebody who knows how, than for somebody who just writes you prescription for pills and let you speak about how miserable you feel.
     

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