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Help: My gf no longer finds me attractive

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by ironmaing, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. My view is this:

    Most of your posts about your conversations with her are the same. Topics include:

    She thinks you are not a real man.
    She just is not in a place to be supportive of you right now.
    She wants to see other people.
    She has needs that you do not fulfill.
    You are trying to figure out how to meet those needs and convince her that you can.
    You are trying to change yourself to make the relationship work (co-dependency).

    The responses you have received have fallen into two camps:

    judgemental of her and supportive of you: she is not being supportive of you and you need that and that's on her
    Judgemental of you and supportive of her: you are the addict and this is your fault and you should be the one being supportive of her

    I really think neither of these apply in your situation.

    She is telling you loud and clear that this isn't working and will not work. The only thing she is not doing is saying "I'm breaking up with you." I do think that's on her because that's what a person should do when they know it will never work. Instead, she's stringing it along with "seeing other people". When someone tells you that you should see other people, they are saying that's what they want to do. I don't think she's necessarily doing it maliciously, I do think, just like you, she can't say "I'm breaking up with you". There's a blocker there for some reason.

    I seldom give advice so I'll say it this way: if I were in your situation I would break up with her and try to be neutral about it (not her fault, your fault, just not a workable relationship).

    Sorry, wish I could say it better but I do feel that encouraging you or trying to help you fix something I don't think can be fixed would be enabling on my part.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  2. ironmaing

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    Thanks Quinn. You’re probably right. This isn’t the first time that she’s said that we should sleep with other people. She did this back in February, she went on a few days with a few people but nothing happened. She told me that meeting all these losers was making her realise how valuable I am.

    She’s suffering from depression and the sexual problems I have make it worse and she tends to vent when she’s at her most frustrated with her overall situation.

    We just went for a walk and she joked about exposure therapy (teaching our dog to overcome a fear of water).

    The reasons why she doesn’t outright break up I think are:

    1. Her life is a mess and she can’t deal with the emotional drain of losing me.

    2. I’ve been instrumental is helping her deal with her depression and she says if it wasn’t for me she couldn’t cope with her situation.

    3. She’s tried the meeting other men and she was disappointed.

    4. She’s facing so much uncertainty at work and I provide financial and emotional stability.

    She definitely has unrealistic expectations about a man. She wants him: super manly, rich, powerful, successful, great body, confident. constantly interesting, conceptual, adventurous, creative, risk taker, fun, loyal, sovereign, caring, insightful....etc. She wants her man to meet these 24/7.
     
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  3. Missing from that list is a statement about how you are the right person for her and the only one she desires to be with.

    1. Her life is a mess and she can’t deal with the emotional drain of losing me.
    - but if it were not a mess, would she still be with you? If she ever gets it together, will she leave? You serve a function for her, could be permanent, could be temporary, but it is very codependent

    2. I’ve been instrumental is helping her deal with her depression and she says if it wasn’t for me she couldn’t cope with her situation.
    - again, you're serving her in a function role, you are being codependent.

    3. She’s tried the meeting other men and she was disappointed.
    - she tried to find someone better but hasn't so she's settling for you...for now.
    4. She’s facing so much uncertainty at work and I provide financial and emotional stability.
    - again, functional.

    I did not hear "I love you". I did not hear "I choose you above all others". What I'm hearing is "you're useful to me right now, I've tried to find someone more useful but so far haven't so I'm still here".

    Sorry, I know this is harsh.

    Have you considered going to therapy for codependency? I have 6 years of recovery in CoDA (Codependents Anonymous). I think it would really help you.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  4. l0stinth3fir3

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    I feel for you dude. I'm in my late twenties and have only had one serious relationship. This relationship lasted for 3 years, and recently ended as of 2 weeks ago. My ED was always a problem and she was patient and understanding in the beginning but soon lost interest in sex. I couldn't remember the last time she initiated, and the only time wed have sex was when she felt she had a duty to make me happy. Most other aspects of the relationship were great.

    After we broke up we discussed several days later what truly bothered us. I brought up the lack of sex, and to hear her say that it wasn't like she didn't like sex, but it was always a problem for us damn near sent me straight to rock bottom. It was something I always knew, but chose to block out of my mind until hearing confirmation.

    I tried to reboot while in a relationship but it never seemed to work. If it wasn't ED, it was PE from not touching myself. The relationship continued to deteriorate.

    She wants to get back together but this will always be on my mind, and something I cant get over. Despite most aspects being fantastic, the need for your partner to be attracted to you is critical. Sooner or later it is bound for disaster if they're not.

    I am now taking the selfish route of putting myself before anything, and will do anything to fix my problem to ensure this doesnt control my life and end future relationships.

    I loved this woman, but I knew what I needed to do in order to truly be happy. I dont know your relationship but sometimes the decision on what to do is obvious, even if it's something you're not comfortable with. Be selfish, focus on yourself, and if you think hard mode will help give it a try. It will be infinitely easier without having the temptation of a partner.

    I started august 4th along with a kegel routine and gym routine. I plan to document biweekly our monthly journals.

    Good luck and if you need someone to talk to feel free to PM
     
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  5. ironmaing

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    I think you have very valid points. She says that I’m the most important person in her life and she loves me very much, but you’re right. I think she sees me a useful person to have around. I’m extremely generous to her, I help her with her problems daily, and provide emotional support.

    I think she doesn’t want to lose that support and she doesn’t want to live alone. She did say she can’t handle another emotional shock like breaking up with her manipulative ex-bf last year.

    Maybe it is time to go our separate ways. I don’t want to be a source of her frustration and unhappiness. She deserves better than that and I deserve to be with someone who’ll treat me properly. It’s going to absolutely suck because I love her so much and we’re freaking neighbors :( but she needs a reality check and I need to fix myself.

    Never come across Codependency anonymous. I’ll check it out.
     
  6. Infrasapiens

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    You must see that the moment she finds someone that in her mind is superior to you, she will break you and leave with that person, until then she will only keep dragging you down with her.
     
  7. ironmaing

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    No doubt. She is a dominant and high maintenance woman who has crazy expectations of what she wants her man to be. She may find a man superior to me quite quickly as in her head she’s built a pretty negative image of me and no longer true thanks to nofap benefits.

    She’s left me before a few years ago for another man (who turned out to be an asshole that almost ruined her life if it wasn’t for my intervention). This man was my complete opposite so clearly it was a rebound. Blond (i’m Brown), Scandinavian (I’m Spanish), conceptial intelligence (I’m street smart and practical), a selfish asshole (I’m more selfless), manipulative (I want her to grow), no values (I have my values). List goes on.

    She says that if she didn’t have other issues and her healing from depression she’d be more patient, but I’m inclined to think that she’d be more willing to break up with me. A few months ago she was in a high and under the cover of ‘trying to make new friends’ she went on many dates with men. She met losers and weirdos, which reinforced her love for me. As you mentioned, what happens when she finds a man of value or one that appears so. I think it’s only a matter of time.

    In her defense, she has repeatedly said how important I am to her and how I bring light in her life. On the flip side, the PIED has killed any romantic interest. When I get better and try to have sex, likely anxiety will be an issue. So maybe can’t be resolved.
     
  8. Infrasapiens

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    Leave her as soon as you can, she is not worth your time or sanity.
     
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  9. Hi, @ironmaing

    Please check out codependency issues pronto. The problem is not that she is high maintenance and dominant, the problem is that you are with her when she is like that and you even took her back after she tried to leave you before. I see a deep feeling of inadequacy and shame reflected in your actions.

    It is likely you think that you are only lovable if you are useful.
    It is likely that you think that if you do enough for a person like her, she will eventually love you
    It is likely that at your core you do not think you deserve to be loved as you are.

    I am advocating breaking up in this case, not so much because of her, but because of _you_. As long as you are with her, your view is that she is the problem, and you will continue to try to adapt yourself to her, you will keep the focus on her. You post about her and how to meet her needs but very little on what your needs are for yourself. If you split from the relationship, and start some serious codependency work in earnest, you will start to see how you are getting in your own way and causing your own problems.

    For example, she may be dominant and high maintenance but you are with her and you took her back. You are financially and emotionally supporting her and getting no love from her. That tells me something about _you_.

    Not an indictment, just trying to help. Break the cycle of codependency (believe it or not, you'll find quitting porn easier). Then you will find you can truly be happy.

    The answer lies in fixing yourself, not in finding the right person.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  10. Damnation

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    From what I'm reading there is a lot of self doubt here. It's cliche but I can't stress the importance of weight lifting to you guys. Especially a strong leg, core and glute routine.

    When you see those muscles grow, it's real difficult to doubt yourself, and it translates into confidence in bed. Your stamina will jump by leaps and bounds. And you don't have to do cardio. In fact you actually reap more cardiovascular benefits from weight lifting than cardio. Sounds weird I know, because we've been taught cardiovascular exercise for cardiovascular health. But that isn't true.

    Work legs, core and glutes and you greatly expand the vessels that feed blood to the penis, much firmer erections. Also heart doesn't work so hard. You come at her with a firmer, larger erection, more confidence, and the ability to really show her your raw masculine energy, and lust for her with real physical enthusiasm, her confidence is going to go through the roof.
     
  11. ironmaing

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    That’s the fffff dream. I wish to have that. I’ve been on nofap journey for a few weeks now. I feel better than ever. Sensitivity has gone up, I get semi erections more often but still cannot get the full erection. I don’t understand how I can get a semi erection from kissing, get the most amazing blow job of my life and still be in a semi erection. Wtf.

    I do lots of exercise. I do less legs and flutes than I would like. I’ll do them some more.

    What specific exercises are good for blood flow to the penis?
     
  12. Wheelerwalker

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    Man I relate to you on a unreal level. My soon to he ex wife and your woman seem to be the exact same. If it's any advice I can give you, is just call it off with her. Because when she finally says she is done and you try to fix it. She will do nothing but bully you and tell everyone about your issue. Women like her are vindictive as can be really it's a narcissistic behavior.
     
  13. Wheelerwalker

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    Dud just get away from that. You dont need it.
     
  14. ironmaing

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    I set my mind to break up, but was on holiday so couldn’t. Interestingly, the less I’m affectionate to her, the more she throws herself at me. Since I’ve been acting distant, she’s been kissing me, hugging me, playing with me, etc. She’s also now making plans for trips in October as well as moving to a different city together. She turned down a job interview because, ‘your company doesn’t have an office there, so it’d be too tough for you to move there’.

    She’s playing ‘hot and cold’ to perhaps keep me interested. But things were said and my PIED is a huge issue for her. I understand when she’s frustrated it all comes out unfiltered so maybe it was in the heat of the moment as she’s spoken about getting experience with other men before but she didn’t go through with it.

    She means so much to me and I’m torn as to what to do. On one hand, if I break up with her this week, it would devastate her specially as she has so much stress at work. I need to at least wait until it’s a better time. In the meantime, continue working to fix my PIED (I’m getting more semi erections, just no boners out of morning wood yet) and improving myself and self confidence. Also, becoming more dependent and less affectionate. Realizing that my affection to her is actually pushing her away. Need to play the game to keep her keen...
     
  15. EyesWideOpen

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    You are the back up guy, the one she keeps as a "just in case" whatever else she has planned doesn't work out. You are not number one. You are the last resort. She goes and does whatever she wants and comes back to you when she is done because you are still there. And when you become a little aloof and distant, she thinks her back up might be gone so suddenly she has to do a little work to keep you hooked. Once you are hooked again she is off doing her own thing, knowing you are standing around just waiting for her to decide.

    Why do you feel that you deserve to be treated in such a way? Do you value yourself that little?

    If you have to play head games to keep a relationship going, it's not a relationship at all.
     
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  16. Bro I am tackling the codependency thing hard core and you are 100% spot on.

    It’s a Shitty way to think and self healing I find really has helped pull me out of this rut. Also another mentions working out and redefining your personal goals— that too had helped get the ball rolling .

    It’s like “why should a person settle?”

    They don’t when they know something better is waiting.

    They settle when they feel stuck, because they lost hope.

    Codependency ruins lots of viable relationships by masking as selflessness.

    Would like to hear More in your experiences combatting this.
     
  17. Damnation

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    Squats, lunges, barbell hip thrusts, calf press,
     
  18. QuittingPMOforever

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    Around the age of 30 most woman are becoming much meaner and arrogant becouse they hit the wall at that age (they are starting losing looks before that) but that is most visible at the age of 30 and It affects their behavior that they are much less attractive to man and that is why they are becoming much more arrogant and meaner

    They still can be attractive after age of 30, but they will never be attractive as they was in their 20s

    The older they get they become more angry, meaner and bitter, not just they are becoming meeeeh for eyes but they are also poison for brain

    This is not outside of my thoughts, this is all well researched



    It is ok to stay with older woman only if you love her and she loves you, in other cases, she is definitely not worth your time
     
  19. EyesWideOpen

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    Wow. Hahahaha. Don't quit your day job.
     
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  20. Wow, that was ridiculous.

    -Quinn
     
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