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Porn, classical conditioning of accepting other dicks/men

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by ultrafabber, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    If you are unaware of what classical conditioning is, i'll pull out the wikipedia definition which is relatively straight forward and easy to understand

    I should start by saying that psychology, especially in the last decades, has become more of a "opinions and guessing game" so you would be right to take anything psychology says with a grain of salt, however, Classical conditioning is a product of Behavioral Psychology, which is methodical and scientific.

    Classical conditioning has been proven to exist. It is a fact.

    So what's with porn and classical conditioning?

    You have the most powerful stimulus available for humans (sex/orgasm) and the other stimulus. In this case it is watching OTHERS having sex, which includes seeing other men in sexual circumstances and seeing erect penises.

    I have written on this subject before and i'd encourage you to read it https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...not-yours-this-is-completely-abnormal.215782/

    Basically, seeing and enjoying/masturbating to others have sex is a very abnormal behavior that never happened until 50-something years ago. Yes, there were very few people doing it, but this just shows it was an overwhelming exception. Most males would not see another erect penis in their life, except their own.

    More so, if you are straight, seeing another erect penis should weird you out and turn you off if you were turned on in the first place.

    The only reason you conditioned yourself to accept it and even allow yourself to feel sexual pleasure seeing it is because it was overlapped with the other (most powerful stimulus) - sexually available woman in a sexual situation.

    Before we go further i want to emphasize that seeing others have sex and enjoying it is ABNORMAL and a VERY NEW phenomenon. You were conditioned to accept it because it was the first way you experienced "sex" and sexual pleasure. We're talking about a woman you LIKE and want for yourself that gets f by another man. This should be your biggest TURN OFF, not your turn on. You just lost access to that woman yet you're enjoying losing access (no wonder why cuck porn is so popular).

    Anyway, back on the subject of classical conditioning. Imagine two transparent (plexiglass, sealed) boxes.

    1. One has your favorite food in it (maybe for some it's chocolate cake, maybe for others it's a steak, it doesn't matter, you should pick the thing that you find the best). You should imagine it's right in front of you and think of the pleasant feelings it gives you, the anticipation you're going to eat it etc.
    2. Put that imaginary box away for a minute.
    3. Then in front of you will be placed the other box where there's a pile of fresh shit. That is gross to most and understandably so. Imagine it's in front of you and see how that makes you feel.
    4. Put that box away, take a break, then get the box with your favorite food back.
    5. Imagine someone puts the box with the shit 3 feet away from your food box. You'll feel a drop in your pleasant feelings. The shit box is then taken away. Then it's put back on, but this time, closer. Taken away again and you get to enjoy 10 seconds of being close to your favorite food. Repeat this over and over again, with different distances and you'll end more accepting with the shit, to a point you will feel pleasure seeing it.
    I used this example because that's what generally happens in a porn movie.

    1. You're shown the woman only first (with great focus on her breasts, sexuality etc)
    2. She makes (suggestive/sexual) eye contact with the camera (with you).
    3. The man is introduced gradually with no emphasis on his body initially.
    4. When sex happens, there are alternating shots between desirable frames (woman only) to more disturbing frames that include the erect penis, to the most disturbing of all, seeing sex from 3rd perspective. This is repeated over and over again, with multiple overlaying positive (reinforcing stimuli) woman sexual vocalizations (notice how men are always silent as this would break your conditioning), women eye contact, etc
    Basically every shot can be broken down into positive and (what should be) negative or inhibiting stimuli. The negative stimuli include everything depicting the presence of another man. Then they are mixed up together. I guess i should make a list of each stimuli for my next post.

    It's a very straight forward and EXTREMELY potent classical conditioning. The stimuli are paired hundreds of times in ONE session and the reward is huge. You may not have realized this so far but you really should.

    When you factor in the act of masturbation (you're stroking dick while getting sexual pleasure), the conditioning gets even more potent.

    Like i said before, porn should turn you OFF, not ON.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2019
  2. Porn DOES turn people off.

    Depends on the environment.

    In front of grandma.
    In front of your mom or dad.
    In front of your kids.
    In front of the pastor.
    In front of your wife. (Normally).
    In front of your siblings.
    When it comes on accidentally in someone’s business presentation.
    When scrolling through pics on someone’s phone.

    But when it’s done by oneself .... different story.
     
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  3. Davidphd1866

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    Ultrafabber, you have a unique gift of simplifying complex interactions. I sure hope that somehow that can be put to commercial use someday! (as a consultant or something?) Thanks for yet another eye opener of perspective.
     
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  4. Interesting and thought provoking.
     
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  5. This is a very interesting view. Thank you for that post.
     
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  6. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    Thank you, i do intend to start a site/yt channel but i have no idea where to begin. It will probably take months to get them rolling.
     
  7. toomanymany

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    This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. I also searched this keywords "porn, classical conditioning etc." on Google but I coudn't find any resources so thank you for bringing this up to us.
     
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  8. LavaMe

    LavaMe Fapstronaut

    Indeed. This is because we have shame over porn. No one doubts that we should have shame for doing things that are bad. We tend to do in secret things that are shameful. So is porn bad? Is our shame normal? I answer yes.
     
  9. Di.Do.555

    Di.Do.555 Fapstronaut

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    Excellent post.
    Thanks for your time .

    The worst bit is that the same ppl who are behind the p industry are the ones who control the whole entertainment industry and they have been conditioning us for so long that we became desensitized.
    They are corrupting our youth and then druging them. ( they also control big pharma).
    In short , we are lap rats.
     
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  10. Davidphd1866

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    If you do start a site, perhaps you might compile a list of "people you'd like to be visitors to your site.".......It'd be a shame if I had to wait until you got extremely popular before I found your future site!

    David
     

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