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What’s your take on premarital sex

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by goodnice 2.0, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. awesome analogy!!!
     
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  2. I'm not sure where he got that definition. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just saying, I don't know Hebrew or Greek, so I don't know what the exact definition is there. I think there are a lot of things we are told and tend to think of with the word fornication, and one of those things is sex outside of marriage. But I don't personally know for s fact if that's actually the true definition, or if it's just what we think. It could be that that is the true definition, but I haven't looked into it, so I can't say.
     
  3. I love a good analogy :)

    I also love someone who wants to learn and listen and know what God says is right and true! So good on you for seeking that out, and not just believing what feels good or what's easiest.
     
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  5. @Castielle @letter
    so then my question is: does oral sex or other sexual things beside PIV intercourse count as fornication?
     
  6. I think that most believe that everything past the first base is too much. Sleeping in the same bed is often forbidden, too.
     
  7. SuperFan

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    The good thing is that your salvation isn't dependent on living your life without sin.

    I'm a pretty interesting case study on this. I've probably had around 300 sexual partners in my life. I've been with married women. I've been unfaithful in the years when I myself was married. I've masturbated thousands of times, maybe even tens of thousands. I've consumed many hundreds of hours of porn.

    And yet, I'm a Christian. In fact, I was a Christian during most of those experiences. That doesn't excuse my behavior. Sin is sin. Sin is offensive to God and disrupts my relationship with him and my ability to hear his voice. But it doesn't disqualify me from God's love, nor does it nullify the power of Christ's blood that washes away my sin.

    It's good that you're wanting to live according to your values, and to do what you think is right. But you're right--we live in a very challenging culture when it comes to sexual purity. At some point, we all fall. The important thing is that we accept grace and get back up, not to try and "do better" through works, but to try and allow God's love to change us from the inside out. Your own willpower won't keep you sexually pure. Only the power of God's spirit inside of you can do that.

    I have deep regrets about my past and the hurt it caused God, myself, and others, but I'll also say this: because of my past, and because of the magnitude of sins in my life that are covered by Jesus' death, I have a respect and an awareness of the depth of God's grace that the 'average' Christian may never understand. And for that, I can be thankful.
     
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  8. letter

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    Look back to the word(s) in Greek that was translated as fornication.

    It’s something like porneia, pornos, porneous... so when you read something like, for example, “you shall not engage in fornication” you need to read it like “you shall not engage in porneia

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    There is way more to it than that. Fornication / sexual immorality are the best words in English to translate the Greek concept of porneia. They are close enough to be accepted, but when you get into serious questions about where to draw the line...you need to dig in deeper.

    The cases in the original language make it seem like any and all sexuality outside of marriage is a no.

    The bible says this in more ways than just through the language it uses to describe the issue. This whole issue is wrapped up in the New Covenant, where our hearts have God’s law written upon them. Before this God’s law was written on stone tablets, and those tablets were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. It was a very serious thing. The High Priest was the only one who could visit the Ark of the Covenant, and only once per year. He went in with a rope tied around his ankle, because if he displeased God he would die and the other priests would have to drag out his dead body. They did this because the ordinary regular priest was not allowed to go into the holy of holies where the Ark of the Covenant resided.

    Having God’s law written on your heart is one of the things behind the whole concept where the believer’s body is called a Temple of the Holy Spirit.

    Combine that with the language used to describe this issue and the case becomes clearer and emphatic. The reason why we keep our bodies holy, pure and set apart to God is because God made a new covenant with us that is radical. To transgress that is sin. It is this same concept that makes PMO sin too. To lust after another in the heart is still sin, to engage your body in the act is more so.

    I hope this helps clear things up a little?
     
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    Someone dug a little deeper into the Greek word porneia here: https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-...at-is-meaning-of-greek-word-porneia-in-bible/

    One of the keys that can be difficult to find except by reading biblical scholars were how the words were used at the time of their writing. Some scholars will look at other, non-biblical texts, to see how the same language was used in other places. One famous example is the works of the historian Josephus.

    That article lists some ways porneia has reached the definition that I quickly underlined and briefly touches on common uses at the time it was written.
     
  10. EXPONENTIALLY

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    Fornication
    FORNICA'TION, noun [Latin fornicatio.]

    1. The incontinence or lewdness of unmarried persons, male or female; also, the criminal conversation of a married man with an unmarried woman.

    2. Adultery. Matthew 5:32.

    3. Incest. 1 Corinthians 5:1.

    4. Idolatry; a forsaking of the true God, and worshipping of idols. 2 Chronicles 21:11, Revelation 19:2.

    http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/fornication
     
  11. I agree with what letter said.

    Also, even if it didn't technically count as "sex," it's really unwise to skirt that close to the line of sin. You will very likely end up crossing it. And that goes for any type of sin. The Bible says to "FLEE from immorality," not to hang out right next to the line you aren't supposed to cross. That's why many more conservative Christians decide to not even kiss until marriage. It's not because kissing before marriage is a sin. It's because it's a further temptation that will make fleeing from sin a lot harder.
     
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  12. letter

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    Aye, that’s another good point Cass.

    Our relationship with God should change our relationship with sin. As we grow to love God more fully with all our hearts, how can we entertain a thought of being near to sin?
     
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  13. No.
    Who knows? In my opinion it doesn't matter in the least. Certainly not for it to influence your decision-making.
    *yawn* no i cant. I can tell you that premarital sex is normal and you shouldn't be distraught from it bc of what some dudes wrote in a book hundreds of years ago
     
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  14. Ummm??????????
     
  15. This is that delusional self confidence that i need heading into 2020 tbh
     
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  16. dethly

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    what you see as my delusion I see as my truth. I appreciate your input however this forum doesn't need your condescending demeanour heading into 2020
     
  17. *slow clapping* nice dig. This forum needs a member like me more than you or anybody else here knows.

    At least i dont think my thoughts and actions come from God (lol) But live ya life b.

    Stop trying to be God
     
  18. It's really the opposite of self-confidence to say such a thing. It's humility. It's giving all glory to God. If someone attempts to praise you for your wisdom, and you respond by saying, "Thank you, but it's not my words, it's God speaking through me," that's not building yourself up. It's building God up and passing that praise onto Him and not yourself.
     
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  19. brilliantidiot

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    If he has had personal experience with God, then who are you to say that that is delusion? Why should he trust you over his experience?
     
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  20. dethly

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    Well, i'm not saying that it needs me although I hope that it does! What it does need however is productive support, rather than attempts at trying to be superior than everyone and acting as if you're the best and everyone around you is inferior.. although i'm not your judge :) How is a rehabilitation and self-improvement based forum supposed to grow without the mutual support from its inhabitants living within it? Hopefully you see where I am coming from.
    Yes, I do believe that God influences what I think and say as well as how I act and feel. I pray everyday for God to make me a better person and fill me with His Holy Spirit. I've felt a noticeable change in my personality as well as perspective and the only thing that I can attribute this to is the Lord. You shouldn't be so quick to bash that and condescend towards me when I haven't done the same to you, it makes your arguments look weak and unintelligent. Just some food for thought!
    Lastly, no I'm not trying to be God at all. I'm simply trying to live my life for Him :) I hope you can put together the difference!
     
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