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Unexplained fat gain - related to NoFap?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Depressed&Out, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Depressed&Out

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2615020/

    Compensatory weight gain due to dopaminergic hypofunction: new evidence and own incidental observations
    Julia Reinholz,[​IMG]1 Oliver Skopp,1,2 Caterina Breitenstein, Iwo Bohr,1 Hilke Winterhoff,2 and Stefan Knecht1
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    Abstract
    There is increasing evidence for a role of dopamine in the development of obesity. More specifically, dopaminergic hypofunction might lead to (over)compensatory food intake. Overeating and resulting weight gain may be induced by genetic predisposition for lower dopaminergic activity, but might also be a behavioral mechanism of compensating for decreased dopamine signaling after dopaminergic overstimulation, for example after smoking cessation or overconsumption of high palatable food. This hypothesis is in line with our incidental finding of increased weight gain after discontinuation of pharmaceutical dopaminergic overstimulation in rats. These findings support the crucial role of dopaminergic signaling for eating behaviors and offer an explanation for weight-gain after cessation of activities associated with high dopaminergic signaling. They further support the possibility that dopaminergic medication could be used to moderate food intake.

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    Background
    Eating and dopaminergic signaling are closely related. Food reward and food-reward associated stimuli both elevate dopamine levels in crucial components of the brain reward circuits [1,2]. In fact, food might be the most important natural stimulator of the reward system in the brain [3]. Therefore, overeating may represent an attempt to compensate for hedonic reward deficiency under conditions of reduced dopaminergic activity.

    Relative dopaminergic deficiency can be caused by different conditions, for example genetic predisposition or after adaptive downregulation of the dopaminergic system due to preceding overstimulation. Thus, substitutional food intake might explain weight gain after smoking cessation, during antipsychotic medication and in obesity.

    A rebound effect of eating behavior after dopaminergic overstimulation could account for the weight gain often associated with smoking cessation, because during smoking, nicotine excites dopamine-containing cells in the ventral tegmental area, resulting in dopamine release in mesolimbic and mesocortical projections [4].

    Additionally, an increase in body weight is a side effect of many commonly used drugs. Particularly, antidopaminergically acting neuroleptics, tricyclic antidepressants, lithium, and some anticonvulsants contribute to weight gain. To date, the underlying mechanisms are still poorly understood although interactions with the dopamine system have been implicated [5].

    Similarly, in obesity body mass index is negatively correlated with D2 receptor density in the striatum [6,7], which might reflect neuroadaptation secondary to overstimulation with palatable food [8,9]. Thus, increased food intake may be a compensatory behavior for low dopaminergic drive [10]. Stice et al. recently reported that lower striatal activation in response to food intake was associated with obesity. Furthermore, this relation was modulated by genetically determined D2 receptor availability [11].

    These results are in line with our own incidental observation of increased body weight after pharmaceutical dopaminergic overstimulation in an animal model. Regulation of feeding by acute dopaminergic stimulation has already been demonstrated [e.g. [12]], but rebound effects after overstimulation have not been reported. Food restricted rats received the dopamine precursor levodopa over five days and were then withdrawn from dopaminergic medication. Subsequently, animals were allowed to feed ad libitum. Over the next 12 weeks the intervention group gained 15% more weight than the vehicle group (p < 0.01) and continued to be heavier at 16 week follow-up (p < 0.05, see Figure Figure11 and Figure Figure22).


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    Effects of L-DOPA treatment on body weight. Rats treated previously with L-DOPA had the same weight as rats treated with a vehicle solution before and immediately after the treatment, but gained more weight during a follow-up period. Results represent the means ± SD of body weight for each group measured at the respective time point. Asterisk indicates a significant difference (p < 0.05).

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    Individual data on increase in body weight. All but one rat from the vehicle group gained less weight than the mean weight gain of the L-DOPA group. About half of the rats from the L-DOPA group gained more weigh than almost all rats from the vehicle group. Results represent the individual difference in body weight for each rat from both groups between the last day of treatment and the 15-week follow-up.

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    Discussion
    There is growing evidence for a role of dopaminergic signaling in the development of obesity. Compensatory eating due to hypofunctionality of the dopaminergic system can not only be based on genetically determined factors, but might also be induced by preceding overstimulation with natural stimulation or pharmacological enhancement. The later was demonstrated by our incidental finding that a decreased dopaminergic tone (relative to a preceding period of extrinsically elevated dopaminergic drive) enhanced weight gain after a period of food deprivation.

    While acute administration of levodopa in combination with carbidopa leads to an increase in brain dopamine levels [13,14], diminished dopaminergic responses to external stimulation have been observed after repeated levodopa administration [15-17]. (Over)stimulation of the dopaminergic system by intake of dopaminergic substances or chronic overconsumption of food [10], leads to adaptational processes in the dopaminergic system [18,19]. This downregulation is likely to be complex and seems to involve decreased dopamine synthesis [20], and decreased post-synaptic receptor expression [21,22]. In addition to hedonic or motivational changes in response to food, interactions of the dopaminergic system with adiposity signals might have induced changes in feeding behavior [see [23] for review]. We assume that in our study the hyperdopaminergic state during the repeated levodopa administration induced a hypodopaminergic state after drug discontinuation, which resulted in rebound effects of weight gain as a compensatory mechanism [3].

    Dopaminergic modulation of such rebound effects can explain weight-gain after cessation of activities associated with high dopaminergic signaling. Additionally, they offer explanations for individual differences and pharmacological treatment related to post-smoking weight-gain. For instance, in smokers with dopamine receptor polymorphism variants associated with lower dopamine drive, food seems to have greater reinforcing effects as indicated by an increased weight gain after smoking cessation relative to individuals without this variant [24,25].

    Our results also raise the possibility that dopaminergic medication may be helpful in preventing compensatory food intake and offer a potential pharmacological treatment of obesity [26]. Increased food reinforcement and weight gain in ex-smokers can be attenuated by bupropion, a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor that raises brain dopamine levels and increases receptor activation [27]. Similarily, after an increase in brain synaptic dopamine via pharmacological inhibition of the dopamine transporter, obese men reduced their energy intake by one third compared to placebo during a meal of highly palatable food [28]. On the other hand dopaminergic treatment in Parkinson's disease or Restless Legs Syndrome may be associated with the inverse effect, i.e. an unwanted weight loss [29].

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    Conclusion
    Our findings support evidence of dopaminergically induced eating behavior to compensate for low dopaminergic signaling. They should alert us to the possibility that overeating after withdrawal might be a potential side-effect of dopaminergic stimulation. On the other hand, our results also raise the possibility that dopaminergic medication may be helpful in preventing compensatory food intake. These possibilities and limitations of dopaminergic stimulation on motivation merit further investigation.
     
  2. Depressed&Out

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    Now, I don't know if that's the reason or not, as I don't tend to overweight (as I eat calorie controlled diet). But it could be that my brain is perceiving it as 'overeating'.

    What do you think?

    I really don't know where to go from there. :(
     
  3. I'd cut out the whey protein. Reduce refined sugar as much as possible. Two slices of bread maximum per day. Rice, oats and so on can be eaten more freely. Fruit and veg are fine. Some meat or fish is okay.
     
  4. brilliantidiot

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    Bro I think you might be overthinking this.
     
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  5. Fenix Rising

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    Interesting study, it makes sence. Dopamine deficiency caused by PMO abstention leading to food cravings (dopamine booster)...

    Why don't try doing some aerobic exercise? I started gaining some serious fat around my hips and belly during my monk mode (nearing 9 months now and 6 months in previous streak) so I started walking/running and cycling uphill 5-6 days per week (70-90 minutes a day) in addition to 3 free weights lifting days. I managed to lose lots of fat to the point where six pack has become visible again. I've stopped eating processed food, avoid anything with added sugar, minimized gluten intake and drink 1L of cow milk (from bio farm) with added proteins, otherwise I eat totally normal diet without restrictions. I also drink 2-3L of fresh water per day. Also good sleeping pattern is essential for stable weight.
     
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  6. I have the same thing happened to me as well. I eat i gain weight. When I don't too much I still gain weight. I think is our brain in process of rebooting so it makes everything slow down especially our metabolism. Our body freaks out due to changes from abstinence.(just guessing) I even have body part disproportionate as well. I think the brain is trying to find balance chemically.
     
  7. StonePlacidity

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    dude i suggest you to change your icon and name, because why do you need "depressed and out?" Attitude is important, and if you don't want to be good, you couldn't be
     
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  8. I have the same issue I also think insomnia from PMO and caffeine don't help either.
     
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  9. It's kinda a shock to see you still have pmo symptoms considering the fact you're 2 years in or close to it.

    I'm 400 days in and dealing with massive brain fog still.... However I've seen a lot 500 days thread from other rebooters saying it makes a big difference. I'm wondering if that's legit.
     
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  10. I don't think its PMO. I was drinking caffeine regularly which impacted my sleep. Most of all my symptoms from PMO have gone. Caffeine should be avoided or used minimally whilst going through this.
     
  11. I'm 400 days in and have huge brain fog. It feels like life is dark and gloomy man. I kinda lose hope man.
     
  12. Fenix Rising

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    You can't put all the blame on PMO alone. I've recently written a post summarizing what PMO really is -> Wednesday at 10:53 PM. It has been our drug of choice, comfort blanket to numb our painful emotions, anxieties, depression etc. nothing more. Sure long binge PMO sessions F... you up mentally and physically over years/decades of abuse, but you can't expect everything will be just fine when you manage to abstain. I'm mentally more FU in many regards then 2 years ago, when I finally got serious about abandoning PMO by practicing monk mode. Well, I was FU and emotionally numb 2 years ago when long lasting binge PMO sessions were still my daily bread and butter. 2 years and 15 months of monk mode later I'm just FU. I believe that from here forward we have to learn how to face all those things we've been hiding from all our lives. We have to experience motions, the good, the bad and the really shitty ones, because “life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...It's about learning to dance in the rain.” PMO was our umbrella, now that it's gone, we need to accept being wet.
     
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  13. If PMO was our umbrella, it was one of those really crap ones that falls apart at the slightest hint of wind.
     
  14. What's so shocking about it? I mean if you start at 12 or 13 you will end up with a brain so intrinsically rewired and dependent by the time you're 20, you're lucky if withdrawals only last 2 years.
     
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  15. Fenix Rising

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    Not really. Mine lasted 25 long odd years :)
     
  16. Fenix Rising

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    Brain heal pretty quickly. It "took" only 40 to 60 weeks even for most hardcore alcohol/heroin/cocaine addicts to regrowth their gray matter and returning their brain chemistry to baseline. The problem is, your body repairs physically but your mind might still be in the same hell as it was 60 weeks ago if you don't start addressing the issues that led you to numb your emotions in the first place. That's the hard part of recovery.
     
  17. It seems you don't get it man.
    Having brain fog and other withdrawal symptoms in the reboot make you unable to function properly in your daily activities. I was pmoing to the point I left death grip behind. I shocked all the neural chemicals even the adrenaline glands. The emotions you talking about are part of life but can't be compared to what one suffering from acute or PAWS. I suggest you search for a rebooter named "saneagain" he matched all the symptoms im experiencing as well.
     
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  18. I agree when you say we need to address underlying emotional aspects but even then cases have been reported of withdrawals lasting many years, this is a condition called post acute withdrawal syndrome and can happen to any long term addict.
     
  19. Altruism247 over at yourbrainrebalanced was still recovering at 27 months.
     
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  20. Fenix Rising

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    Look, I've been suffering from chronical insomnia this whole year, being fatigue all the time to the point where it's sometimes nearly impossible for me to get out of bed. My mind gets occasionally so dark that I've been seriously contemplating suicide many times during the year, being around people feels sooo exhausting I tend to avoid them and I probably still have PIED related problems (not sure since being in monk mode prevents me from testing it). With all that being said what can one do? Bitching and feeling sorry for myself won't help a bit. All that one can do is to discover behaviours that will give you some relief and turn them into habits. I walk/run/cycle/ every day even when my body nad mind screams at me not to do it, go under icy cold shower for 10 minutes when I'd just like to lay in bed all day, eat even when I'd rather starve and my stomach turns… Why? Because these are my daily pills to calm my mind, give me some dopamine/endorphine fix to the body to get me through the day. The old me would turn off the phone, close the door and jerk off to pixels on screen for hours until complete exhaustion, fall to sleep and repeat the whole week. Then go out on weekends and got drunk to oblivion. That was my life just 2 years ago. The only difference now is that I learned to implement coping skills that get me through the days and slowly trying to address my underlying issues that led me to self-medicating emotional pain since being 13 yo. Every change is painful, but getting rid of decades long addiction is pure hell, there is no way around it. Sooner you embrace the pain and work towards solutions, easier it gets, BUT it will never be easy. That train is long gone.
     
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